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Malaysian Prime Minister: Flight 370 Crashed Into Indian Ocean, No Survivors

PeteEU said:
And do you understand that the pilots might have lost conciousness while trying to get to the nearest airport? If they did not manage to get the last sets of co-ordinates input into the computer?
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How in the hell do you just "mistakenly" input -44.958056,90.228611 instead of 2.754483, 101.701136? I'm aware that's probably not the exact input, but still.



Fire needs oxygen, and can be put out.. but the damage remains. Unconscious crew and passengers, damaged plane.... you do the math.
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If everyone was unconscious, who put out the fire?



It does not have to be a full electronic failure, after all it looks like the auto-pilot kept the plane on the last heading.
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You still have yet to explain why the autopilot would've taken it to the Indian Ocean.

And the system that pings does not have to be connected to the overall electronic system.
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But it is.

There are many technical possibilities that we have no information about at this time.
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That is true.



First off, when there is decompression there is massive disorientation even for trained pilots. There is loud noises, alarms and mist/fog generation in the cabin/cockpit (according to all the pilots and experts I have seen).

On top of that they have 30 seconds to get everything right or else they loose conciousness.
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So the first reaction is to switch the transponder to "Standby"?

Plus as I stated, the transponder could have been damaged also... there are so many possibilities. All we know is that it was "shut off" or stopped functioning at a specific time. Why or how this happened we are in the dark about
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That is also true.


Dont be so naive. Boeing is a major American industry and has a piss-poor few years when it comes to safety and faulty equipment. It amazes me that there was more talk about terror and UFO's than mechanical failure... and even now they refuse to dwell too much on the possibility and are still pushing the suicide or terrorist angel, despite it being far more logical that something went wrong on the plane... mechanically/electronically. The so called anonymous sources coming out of the US have been pushing the terror angle from day one and are still doing so, despite the facts pointing to a massive mechanical/electronical failure happening on the plane.
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Your Eurotrash bias is showing.
 
Every time I see this on the front page, I think of Zoolander. Then I feel bad.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
How in the hell do you just "mistakenly" input -44.958056,90.228611 instead of 2.754483, 101.701136? I'm aware that's probably not the exact input, but still.
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Err no you input a heading, then fall un-conscious and the plane will continue on that heading till it runs out of fuel. Why do you keep denying this simple explanation? It has happened before.

If everyone was unconscious, who put out the fire?
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Come on now you are grasping a straws, trying to discredit the theory that more and more experts in aviation is agreeing on. And a fire could be one of many situations that caused rapid decompression and electrical problems. We wont know till we find the black boxes. But the fact that something did happen that prevented everyone on the plane to send out any signal at all (other than the automated ping once an hour), shows that something catastrophic happened to the crew and passengers. If it was terror, then we would have heard something. If it was suicide then we would have learned something by now from the investigations into the pilots and passengers..like a suicide note. They have found nothing. The only logical explanation out there is that something incapacitated the crew and passengers and the plane kept flying at its last heading until it crashed in the Indian ocean when it ran out of fuel. Now if they find the plane or bits in the area they are searching then this theory will basically be validated and only the black boxes will provide the information of what exactly happened.

You still have yet to explain why the autopilot would've taken it to the Indian Ocean.
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Take a map, draw a line from where they are searching towards Malaysia and the general area where they last said the plane was detected.. in the general direction it was heading there is.. an airport it could land in.. there are only like 2 airports in the area it can land.

So the first reaction is to switch the transponder to "Standby"?
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For god sake, **** happens. Mistakes happen, we dont know. But saying it was done deliberately by some suicide minded terrorist is ridiculous at this point. The more logical reasons is mistake or technical error.

Your Eurotrash bias is showing.
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Whatever, but I call them as I see them, and American media are far more interested in conspiracy theories, blaming UFOs and terrorists, than bringing up the very real world reason of a plane that broke and killed all those people and this has been going on from day one... with Rupert Murdoch leading the way with his insane tweets and "anonymous sources" infecting the once proud newspapers like the WSJ.

It is sad that you get more factual news reports on this case from CCTV (Chinese state news organisation) than any American news organisation.
 
PoS said:
If they had put the coordinates then they would have flown right towards the airport but thats not what happened. The official investigation already told us that the turning off of the transponder was intentional so youre just making things up now.
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No the official investigation says it LOOKS like it was intentional. Big difference as they dont know. All they know is the transponder went off air at a specific time with no error message, hence they suspect it was turned off.

Also an airplane does not turn on a dime (or whatever the saying says), it takes a large swing around and heads towards the Malay peninsula and needs the correct heading into the airports and all that. From the experts I have heard off on various channels, it is fully in line with the pattern the plane took after the last check in. It has to avoid other planes, and especially if its communications has been knocked out and the whatever crisis on the plane has to be dealt with.

Apparently youre not doing any math because the plane flew on for hours which would not have happened if there was a fire. Fire also needs oxygen and will not happen if the plane flies too high to knock everyone out according to your crazy theory.
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I am doing the math, you seem to be denying reality. A fire, or what ever caused part of the electronics to die and knock out everyone could have been contained and the plane could have been safe but the decompression could have knocked out everyone. It is very plausible, and far more plausible than aliens and terrorists at this point.
 
PeteEU said:
Err no you input a heading, then fall un-conscious and the plane will continue on that heading till it runs out of fuel. Why do you keep denying this simple explanation?

It has happened before.
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Examples pl0x.



Come on now you are grasping a straws, trying to discredit the theory that more and more experts in aviation is agreeing on. And a fire could be one of many situations that caused rapid decompression and electrical problems. We wont know till we find the black boxes. But the fact that something did happen that prevented everyone on the plane to send out any signal at all (other than the automated ping once an hour), shows that something catastrophic happened to the crew and passengers. If it was terror, then we would have heard something. If it was suicide then we would have learned something by now from the investigations into the pilots and passengers..like a suicide note. They have found nothing. The only logical explanation out there is that something incapacitated the crew and passengers and the plane kept flying at its last heading until it crashed in the Indian ocean when it ran out of fuel. Now if they find the plane or bits in the area they are searching then this theory will basically be validated and only the black boxes will provide the information of what exactly happened.
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Wow, that's a sizable paragraph. Now where's my answer?



Take a map, draw a line from where they are searching towards Malaysia and the general area where they last said the plane was detected.. in the general direction it was heading there is.. an airport it could land in.. there are only like 2 airports in the area it can land.
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Still doesn't answer my question.



For god sake, **** happens. Mistakes happen, we dont know. But saying it was done deliberately by some suicide minded terrorist is ridiculous at this point. The more logical reasons is mistake or technical error.
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Then it's good that at no point did I say it was probably a suicide minded terrorist.


Whatever, but I call them as I see them, and American media are far more interested in conspiracy theories, blaming UFOs and terrorists, than bringing up the very real world reason of a plane that broke and killed all those people and this has been going on from day one... with Rupert Murdoch leading the way with his insane tweets and "anonymous sources" infecting the once proud newspapers like the WSJ.

It is sad that you get more factual news reports on this case from CCTV (Chinese state news organisation) than any American news organisation.
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ExamVision. Magnification and Ergonomics.
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Is 44,000 ft high enough to put out a fire?
 
solletica said:
No, it's very easy. The money is wired to someone else's account, and then he just takes on a new identity (w/false ID, passport, credit cards, etc.).
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So, the pilot lands the plane somewhere, then somehow manages to escape from the general vincinity of the plane, then escapes from that country in particular - despite alot of road blocks, searches etc, maybe being conducted in areas where strangers stand out.

Then, despite a massive manhunt and investigation (involving very well funded and well trained police forces) into what ever groups might have what - stolen the plane? which undoubtably involving human intelligence, electronic tracking etc etc, none of his former friends inform on him and his is not identified as an individual either. Thus, he stays free to enjoy his new life.

I would say, not very easy and not very likely.
 
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