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Venice votes for independence in unofficial poll

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A self-organised “referendum” over the independence of one of Italy’s wealthiest regions has resulted in an overwhelming victory for the separatist camp, but authorities in Rome have largely ignored the result, amid scepticism over the regularity of the informal, non-binding poll.

Nevertheless, events in Veneto, the north-eastern region around Venice that is home to almost 5 million people, have attracted international attention, particularly from government-sponsored Russian media, keen to draw comparisons with the military-backed vote that sanctioned Moscow’s annexation of Crimea.


Out of 3.8 million eligible voters, 2.3 million took part in Veneto’s independence “plebiscite,” organisers said Friday, after six days of voting through makeshift polling booths, via phone or the internet. The pro-secession camp was declared the winner with over 89 percent, against just under 11 percent for the unionists.

Source: EU Observer

I expect more of this in time. We already have Catalonia and Scotland moving for independence as well. Seems all it will take is a little push before Europe starts to break up under the weight of its economic malaise and intrusive governments.
 
Source: EU Observer

I expect more of this in time. We already have Catalonia and Scotland moving for independence as well.

There is always these movements during hard economic times, and they always fizzle out sooner or later.

Seems all it will take is a little push before Europe starts to break up under the weight of its economic malaise and intrusive governments.

LOL yea America's wet dream eh? Anything to keep your dominance of world affairs right?

Fact is you as and American should fear Venice especially if they attempt to reach their previous economic power and domination of known world politics. Not sure the regions around Venice would want that to happen again.
 
There is always these movements during hard economic times, and they always fizzle out sooner or later.

LOL yea America's wet dream eh? Anything to keep your dominance of world affairs right?

Fact is you as and American should fear Venice especially if they attempt to reach their previous economic power and domination of known world politics. Not sure the regions around Venice would want that to happen again.

You are sarcastic about Venice becoming a world domination power today are you not?
 
Source: EU Observer

I expect more of this in time. We already have Catalonia and Scotland moving for independence as well. Seems all it will take is a little push before Europe starts to break up under the weight of its economic malaise and intrusive governments.

Europe hell. Try running a similar "referendum" on the same that issue in Texas and many other Western and Midwestern states. America is not exactly united at the moment either. Quite a large number of us would like to be rid of Obama and the other Traitor Rats. Why? Because of economic malaise and intrusive government.
 
You are sarcastic about Venice becoming a world domination power today are you not?

They were once before so why not? They has huge areas of Europe directly under control and even larger areas under their influence back in the day.
 
They were once before so why not? They has huge areas of Europe directly under control and even larger areas under their influence back in the day.

If you speak of 13-16 century Ottoman era then I think they were also highly distrusted. You could not cooperate with them and set out a united front against the Ottomans. They would backstab you with the first deal they stroke on their benefit from the Ottomans. This was part of the issue that we could not keep the front against the Ottoman Empire during the time of Skenderbeu the great.

Why would huge areas of Europe want to be under the direct control (or even influence type of control for that matter) from this tiny little city?
 
Europe hell. Try running a similar "referendum" on the same that issue in Texas and many other Western and Midwestern states. America is not exactly united at the moment either. Quite a large number of us would like to be rid of Obama and the other Traitor Rats. Why? Because of economic malaise and intrusive government.

How many states other than Texas would want to be independent from the rest of the USA?
 
If you speak of 13-16 century Ottoman era then I think they were also highly distrusted. You could not cooperate with them and set out a united front against the Ottomans. They would backstab you with the first deal they stroke on their benefit from the Ottomans. This was part of the issue that we could not keep the front against the Ottoman Empire during the time of Skenderbeu the great.

Why would huge areas of Europe want to be under the direct control (or even influence type of control for that matter) from this tiny little city?

Stranger things have happened... But I bet that this previous glory is one of the main motivations by the nationalists.... it always is.
 
They were once before so why not? They has huge areas of Europe directly under control and even larger areas under their influence back in the day.

So was Tunisia. Med trade isn't really as important anymore and they have lot more to do to even dominate that. I mean seriously.
 
So was Tunisia. Med trade isn't really as important anymore and they have lot more to do to even dominate that. I mean seriously.

No Tunisia was no where as big as Venice and Genoa... they were THE trade empires of their time. My point is that this former glory is most likely a larger motivation than most other things... politicians tend to revel on past glories than actual factual situations they are in.
 
How many states other than Texas would want to be independent from the rest of the USA?

Without asking the question to them, we don't know. Maybe some would not choose to be independent but would choose to join Texas. Or as happened during the Civil War, they would choose to join together to form a new country.
 
Without asking the question to them, we don't know. Maybe some would not choose to be independent but would choose to join Texas. Or as happened during the Civil War, they would choose to join together to form a new country.

Which are the ones that might do that? Be it with Texas or without as it was in civil war?
 
No Tunisia was no where as big as Venice and Genoa... they were THE trade empires of their time. My point is that this former glory is most likely a larger motivation than most other things... politicians tend to revel on past glories than actual factual situations they are in.

As was Carthage
 
There is always these movements during hard economic times, and they always fizzle out sooner or later.

Of course, your reasoning depends on those hard economic times abating and not getting worse.

LOL yea America's wet dream eh? Anything to keep your dominance of world affairs right?

I do not support the U.S. dominating world affairs nor do I support it doing anything to keep that dominance. As far as I am concerned, nothing that happens to Europe is going to change the situation for the U.S. Really, America's strategic position would be weaker should the EU fall apart and its member states start breaking up as well.

Europe hell. Try running a similar "referendum" on the same that issue in Texas and many other Western and Midwestern states. America is not exactly united at the moment either. Quite a large number of us would like to be rid of Obama and the other Traitor Rats. Why? Because of economic malaise and intrusive government.

Yeah, there is no real risk of a state seceding. Polls show most do not even supporting breaking up existing states into smaller states, let alone transforming states into independent countries. Only Puerto Rico, a territory that most Americans barely remember is part of the U.S., is liable to pursue independence and support for becoming the 51st state is just as strong.
 
They were once before so why not?

Well for one, there are about a 150-160 countries that could kick the **** out of Venice...
 
A small update to this. Arrests have been made in the area against separatists who were planning attacks in Venice.

Italian forces arrest Veneto separatists over alleged plot to attack Venice | World news | theguardian.com

Also the validity of the unofficial referendum has been called into question over the last few days, as it seems that people could vote twice and vote from outside the region...

Venice independence movement 'turns to terrorism' - Telegraph

Critics, however, questioned the reliability of the referendum, saying that some votes appeared to have been cast from overseas and that some people may have voted more than once.

There is an investigation into this now, and considering the terror links involved then it is not beyond belief that the vote was rigged.
 
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