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Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

And there has never been even a proposed federal act/law/bill to recognize any unions other than marriage, for same sex couples or any couples. Why push for something less, even if just in the fact that they are using different words to try to "exclude" same sex couples from marriage when the laws discriminate and can be overturned? It has already been proven that the laws violate the Constitution, particularly federal laws that do not recognize same sex couples as married, hence why most of DOMA was struck down last summer by the SCOTUS.

And that is because it does not fit into the militant gay agenda. If gays merely wanted equal rights instead of wanting to make a social statement this would all be over by now.
 
Aren't you one of thsoe Rah Rah Constitution guys?

Why would the founders set up such a flawed system.... maybe it's in need for a... change :mrgreen:

Nah, don't even try that **** here....The problem with the system is straying from the precepts of the foundation of the Constitution in the first place.
 
Nah, don't even try that **** here....The problem with the system is straying from the precepts of the foundation of the Constitution in the first place.

This is such a cop out.

"There's nothing wrong with it, there's just something wrong with it because it was perfect but something made it not perfect"
 
This is such a cop out.

"There's nothing wrong with it, there's just something wrong with it because it was perfect but something made it not perfect"

If it is not followed then we have no rule of law.
 
Aren't you one of thsoe Rah Rah Constitution guys?

Why would the founders set up such a flawed system.... maybe it's in need for a... change :mrgreen:
The founder/framers did not set the Constitutional framework of governing up with Judicial Review, wherein the Supreme Court was to deem what was and was not Constitutional...that is something that became a "tradition" with Marbury v Madison... so since we are willy-nilly just throwing traditions out, perhaps we should throw out that one and just let state courts decide if a law is Constitutional or not, eh?

That would comport, be more in alignment with the actual original on forward Constitution. ;)
 
So you were admitting to name calling then. OK.
What I admit was you were not calling me names specifically, except through your name calling of what you believe my posts signify... you came back at me omitting actual evidence, logic or substance with which to refute my arguments, solely the utilization of disparagement... which is not actual debate; or if so considered, certainly a very poor substitute, yano?
 
And that is because it does not fit into the militant gay agenda. If gays merely wanted equal rights instead of wanting to make a social statement this would all be over by now.

So it was militant gays who passed state constitutional bans against civil unions in about 20 states?

Nice try to reenvision history.
 
The founder/framers did not set the Constitutional framework of governing up with Judicial Review, wherein the Supreme Court was to deem what was and was not Constitutional...that is something that became a "tradition" with Marbury v Madison... so since we are willy-nilly just throwing traditions out, perhaps we should throw out that one and just let state courts decide if a law is Constitutional or not, eh?

That would comport, be more in alignment with the actual original on forward Constitution. ;)

So you are angry about how our government has run since 1803 and you only thought to complain about it now because the gays might be able to get married? Go figure.
 
And that is because it does not fit into the militant gay agenda. If gays merely wanted equal rights instead of wanting to make a social statement this would all be over by now.

Complete horse****. Look how many states implemented constitutional bans that prohibit civil unions. You really want to blame that on the victims, don't you?
 
So it was militant gays who passed state constitutional bans against civil unions in about 20 states?

Nice try to reenvision history.

Right, that is history. In the now a civil union act would sail through on a fed level but the militant gays don't want that, they want the "bride" dressed in a white gown.
 
There is something fundamentally wrong with this notion, that because a body of 9 people appointed for life, and more so, usually paired down to one swing Justice sits on high, and just "deems" things....Anyone else see anything wrong with this?

I believe in more rights for people, for individuals, not less. I'm sorry that you prefer to limit the rights of the people in favor of that of the government.
 
Right, that is history. In the now a civil union act would sail through on a fed level but the militant gays don't want that, they want the "bride" dressed in a white gown.

Sail through? Maybe you did not hear right. It is banned in 20 state CONSTITUTIONS. That was the doing of you and your conservative brethren. You have made no effort to repeal those bans. You have introduced no legislation on the federal level to recognize civil unions. The GOP has not changed its platform to accept civil unions and it still actively fights against them. Conservatives have not given an inch on this issue, so stop pretending otherwise. You are reeping what you sowed because you deliberately went beyond banning same sex marriage and now you are now trying to blame us for your unwillingness to compromise. Every civil union law that has ever been proposed came from gay rights supporters, not conservatives. Stop lying to yourself.
 
Separate but equal was about things like schools and restrooms not marriage.


That's right, they (those in the past) just banned interracial marriage. They didn't even try for a seperate-but-equal path. Kind of like many a decade ago that pushed through total bans in the legal recognition of same.


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And that is because it does not fit into the militant gay agenda. If gays merely wanted equal rights instead of wanting to make a social statement this would all be over by now.

There has been plenty of Republicans in office who are more than willing to attempt to pass an Amendment that would completely ban same sex marriages, and yet not one of those have ever even proposed a bill that would recognize same sex unions other than marriage. Even now, a Republican is trying to get a vote on a Federal Marriage Amendment, and yet still no federal law to recognize unions other than marriage for same sex couples. If this is what Republicans would want for a compromise, why are they not proposing it?
 
Right, that is history. In the now a civil union act would sail through on a fed level but the militant gays don't want that, they want the "bride" dressed in a white gown.

:lamo Yeah, I'm sure the Republicans in Congress will support a federal mandate that states accept civil unions in violation of their own state constitutions. :lamo

The things you people will convince yourselves of...
 
So you are angry about how our government has run since 1803 and you only thought to complain about it now because the gays might be able to get married? Go figure.
First of all, what gives you the impression I am angry? Second, you don't know me, my history or much of what I have complained or not complained about in the past, so it would be highly suggested that one might go gore one's silly ox someplace else and in some situation in which one perhaps knows a little something of which one makes the decision to speak...

I, like you apparently, just went along with things thinking it okay... I, after having studied the situation independently, now see many many places of Federal government and judicial overreach...you may, too, if you open your eyes, have a little knowledge of circumstances under your belt.
 
I believe in more rights for people, for individuals, not less. I'm sorry that you prefer to limit the rights of the people in favor of that of the government.
That is piled horse manure, and you know it. It all depends on which people and which rights.

I am fairly confident that you do not want more rights for individual murderers, child molesters, rapists, etc... that would allow each of them to more freely conduct their mischief on the rest of us... or do you?

This was, admittedly, an exaggerated example to expose the falsehood for what it actually is... a misappropriation of the truth in order to influence, based on an appeal to some vague and noble notion.
 
That is piled horse manure, and you know it. It all depends on which people and which rights.

I am fairly confident that you do not want more rights for individual murderers, child molesters, rapists, etc... that would allow each of them to more freely conduct their mischief on the rest of us... or do you?

This was, admittedly, an exaggerated example to expose the falsehood for what it actually is... a misappropriation of the truth in order to influence, based on an appeal to some vague and noble notion.

Murderers have proven themselves to be a danger and are being punished for their crimes. There is a level of balance to be had when considering rights, but when it comes to people who have done nothing wrong, and when the state cannot show any legitimate interest being furthered, then yes, I prefer more rights for individuals.
 
Murderers have proven themselves to be a danger and are being punished for their crimes. There is a level of balance to be had when considering rights, but when it comes to people who have done nothing wrong, and when the state cannot show any legitimate interest being furthered, then yes, I prefer more rights for individuals.

Huh. Almost like you're talking about that "due process" part.
 
Sail through? Maybe you did not hear right. It is banned in 20 state CONSTITUTIONS. That was the doing of you and your conservative brethren. You have made no effort to repeal those bans. You have introduced no legislation on the federal level to recognize civil unions. The GOP has not changed its platform to accept civil unions and it still actively fights against them. Conservatives have not given an inch on this issue, so stop pretending otherwise. You are reeping what you sowed because you deliberately went beyond banning same sex marriage and now you are now trying to blame us for your unwillingness to compromise. Every civil union law that has ever been proposed came from gay rights supporters, not conservatives. Stop lying to yourself.

Anyone who thinks getting a civil union law through would not be easier than a marriage law is the one fooling himself. You guys demand all or nothing that is the problem.
 
Anyone who thinks getting a civil union law through would not be easier than a marriage law is the one fooling himself. You guys demand all or nothing that is the problem.

Easier? Yes. But you're trying to place blame on the victims rather than the perpetrators of civil union bans.
 
Huh. Almost like you're talking about that "due process" part.

I don't think some people understand that the Constitution and its Amendments work together, not as each a separate part that can have no interaction with the rest.
 
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