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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Laws are supposed to be passed in congress not by judges.
    You keep repeating the same ignorant tripe.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

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    (A) the fact you're too uneducated to come up with a novel comparison (the Armenian genocide, perhaps?).
    Pol Pot wold be the more apt, as he too killed the ones who could read or count further than 2 and made no ethic distinctions.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You can't pass a law against a right that is clearly written out in the constitution, gay marriage does not rise to that level.
    What right would that be?

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Neither is the right for a black dude to marry a white woman clearly laid out in the Constitution.


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    But at least Jefferson found it to be OK for a white diode to procreate with a black woman. That is almost as good as having it written in the Constitution...

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What right would that be?
    I just don't see the right to marry a member of the same sex here.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I just don't see the right to marry a member of the same sex here.
    Neither do you see a right to marry anyone, but that was not the question.
    The rest is just irrelevant partisan drivel from a private site with an agenda.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You can't pass a law against a right that is clearly written out in the constitution, gay marriage does not rise to that level.
    Equal Protection is clearly written out in the constitution and the Supreme Court decides what that means. They've essentially already decided.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I just don't see the right to marry a member of the same sex here.
    Loving v. Virginia, SCOTUS, 1967 says that marriage is a "basic civil right."

    Therefore it is a right subject to equal protection challenges.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    People of legal age should be allowed to marry whomever they want. I include polygamists, sisters who want to marry their brothers, and gay people in that.

    This is an issue that shouldn't be political, just like abortion.

    Is this the biggest problem in the USA today? Not at all.

    Free love all around. It doesn't affect me either way.
    It's amazing that many conservatives are interested in marrying their relatives and animals. I think that says a lot about conservatism.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's amazing that many conservatives are interested in marrying their relatives and animals. I think that says a lot about conservatism.
    And they cant get their minds out of gay's bedrooms. Like there is nothing more to them...they are not 'people' with lives, they are defined by the type of sex they have. Which is dumb because straight people have all the same types of sex. I wonder if define straight couples by their intercourse? LOL....as everyone knows, marriage tends to equate to LESS sex, lol, so they still have their heads up their asses...their arguments make no sense at all.

    I wonder if they imagine every couple they see in bed...or only gays? That is sick but apparently that is what they do....that is all they see....sex.

    And they call gays deviants and perverts?
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