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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Liberals really shouldn't talk of individual liberty. Well, unless they are of the classical type.
    This is why Libertarians are not taken too seriously, they think they own 'individual'. They have a niche view of liberty and don't understand why the world doesn't simply nod and fall into line.

    We didn't get here as a result of every man for himself.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Obviously I meant having the government involved in whatever was legalized. Liberals aren't interested in people being free, but only the most effective way to control people.
    You be the judge-

    Your freedom to keep others from marrying

    or

    Others being free to marry whom they wish?

    Which is the example more consistent with spirt of the US Consitution? Which example imparts more freedom?


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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You be the judge-

    Your freedom to keep others from marrying

    or

    Others being free to marry whom they wish?

    Which is the example more consistent with spirt of the US Consitution? Which example imparts more freedom?
    He'll just cop out because he "doesn't care" about same-sex marriage. And then he'll post in a thread about same-sex marriage another hundred times. And then do the same in the next thread.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I was commenting on your "benevolent tyrant" crap. If your comment cannot stand on its own, it's not legitimate.
    Meh. You do not like the ruling, you cannot be bothered to read it and debate the actual reasoning of it, so you attack the concept of judicial authority in general. Nothing new.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You be the judge-

    Your freedom to keep others from marrying

    or

    Others being free to marry whom they wish?

    Which is the example more constitant with spirt of the US Consitution? Which example imparts more freedom?
    If that was the goal then people would be arguing that all private contracts pertaining to marriage between consenting parties must be respected by all fifty states. What is actually happening is people are arguing for extending government authority in marriage by expanding its domain to another form of relationship between two individuals. People are not arguing for freedom, but simply for government authority.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Meh. You do not like the ruling, you cannot be bothered to read it and debate the actual reasoning of it, so you attack the concept of judicial authority in general. Nothing new.
    You used BS to support your argument. Try to avoid doing that in the future, and instead develop an actual counter.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    These are your words.



    Your own words are contradictory. Which is it?

    Are you the "We the people" that are in control of this nation...or are you the "We the people" that no longer have a voice in this nation's decisions?
    You are aware the two were both questions... so why not make your point?

    You get to answer them the way you want, I answer them the way I want... pretty simple. We only differ in that you think imposing your belief on how all this should turn out is somehow not discriminating against an entire group of people that are not in synch with what you want to impose as the new norm. How that escapes you I am unable to discern.
    "...But resist we much, we must and we will much, about that be committed..." --- the right Reverend Alfred Charles "Al" Shaprton, Jr.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If that was the goal then people would be arguing that all private contracts pertaining to marriage between consenting parties must be respected by all fifty states. What is actually happening is people are arguing for extending government authority in marriage by expanding its domain to another form of relationship between two individuals. People are not arguing for freedom, but simply for government authority.
    No, it's limiting government's authority to define that domain. It's a private contract between two people.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He'll just cop out because he "doesn't care" about same-sex marriage. And then he'll post in a thread about same-sex marriage another hundred times. And then do the same in the next thread.
    Maybe showing the counter to their failed arguement could help others see the chinks in their argument's armor.


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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You used BS to support your argument. Try to avoid doing that in the future, and instead develop an actual counter.
    What BS? Oh you mean actually wanting to debate the substance of the ruling this thread is about instead of the infantile rejection of all judicial authority in the realm of Constitutional rights? Indy files. I will work on that.

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