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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You can't pass a law against a right that is clearly written out in the constitution, gay marriage does not rise to that level.
    If the 9th amendment states that all rights held by the people are not enumerated in the
    Constitution...What does that mean. It means not all rights held by the people are in the Constitution.

    The right of self-defense is not enumerated in the Constitution. Why? Because Self-defense like marriage are rights held by the people before the signing of the Constitution.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The right to keep and bear arms is clearly written out in the constitution, the right for gays to marry clearly is not.
    True....there is no right to marry in the Const. However once the federal govt decided to confer benefits and legal protections on marriage, they must apply that equally, they cannot discriminate.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Completely meaningless. An activist judge is simply one that doesn't rule the way you want them to. And as for being liberal, that is a judgement based on biased of a singular decision made by such judges.
    An activist judge makes law from the bench that suits his or her political agenda instead of looking at the constitution and deciding where the issue they are ruling on fits in that document.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    True....there is no right to marry in the Const. However once the federal govt decided to confer benefits and legal protections on marriage, they must apply that equally, they cannot discriminate.
    At which point I'd suggest milquetoast social liberals are actually the conservatives on this issue, seeking merely to strengthen and expand an existing social institution, rather than genuinely deconstruct it through the abolition of marriage.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Obviously we've hit on the solution to this problem: a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage bans in the United States. Surely our Constitutional conservatives, having already ceded the moral ground and the public space, will have no problem adopting such a campaign as their own.
    I"d just prefer the govt...state and fed...got completely out of marriage and left it up to private institutions and religion.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    An activist judge makes law from the bench that suits his or her political agenda instead of looking at the constitution and deciding where the issue they are ruling on fits in that document.
    Then all judges working in constitutional challenges would be activist judges, including every SCOTUS Justice to ever serve.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    An activist judge makes law from the bench that suits his or her political agenda instead of looking at the constitution and deciding where the issue they are ruling on fits in that document.
    Like so:

    Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    True....there is no right to marry in the Const. However once the federal govt decided to confer benefits and legal protections on marriage, they must apply that equally, they cannot discriminate.
    Marriage has been clearly spelled out as between a man and a woman in law. If you want to change the law fine but do it the constitutional way.




    1 U.S. Code § 7 - Definition of “marriage” and “spouse”

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    In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word “marriage” means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word “spouse” refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Marriage has been clearly spelled out as between a man and a woman in law. If you want to change the law fine but do it the constitutional way.
    Why are you citing the United States Code? Your argument is that rulings finding gay marriage bans illegal are Unconstitutional. Do you dispute that judges even have a right to reverse parts of the United States Code, a hierarchically inferior piece of law to the Constitution?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Marriage has been clearly spelled out as between a man and a woman in law. If you want to change the law fine but do it the constitutional way.


    1 U.S. Code § 7 - Definition of “marriage” and “spouse”

    Current through Pub. L. 113-86, except 113-79. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

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    In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word “marriage” means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word “spouse” refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.
    This is a very old argument. The definition of marriage has been changed before. Some states specified race, some numbers, some age....all change according to society and in some cases, the Constitution, as we know it was unConstitutional to prevent interracial marriage.

    Edit: did you pull that from DOMA? Cuz it has been overturned.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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