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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    These state laws are being challenged as violating the US Constitution, hence why they would be stopped if the SCOTUS rules that they do in fact violate the Constitution.
    Three word answer, liberal activist judges.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    That would be fine, I just don't want judges over stepping their bounds.
    Cool. So if I start up a FMFA campaign - Federal Marriage Freedom Amendment - you'll contribute to it? And propagandize for it? And argue as vociferously (if asininely, cloylingly, and populistically) for it as you do on this subject in every other thread?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What part of "constitutional law" and precedence are you not familiar with? Whether you agree that it should be there or not, does not matter. It exists, and is how our constitutional rights are protected to their fullest by the SCOTUS.
    So, in other words you don't really have those protected classes listed in the constitution which you said were there. Then you said that you had sent me links to them which I had ignored...now you are telling me these protected classes are not, as I had originally stated they were not, in the Constitution. So they are made up classes that can be unmade, they are not Constitutionally protected classes, they are only court, so far, protected classes.

    Please try to remain within the guidelines of truth... have caught, and identified, a couple of prevarications by you so far on this thread... hard to take someone seriously when they play fast and loose with truth.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The right to keep and bear arms is clearly written out in the constitution, the right for gays to marry clearly is not.

    Neither is the right for a black dude to marry a white woman clearly laid out in the Constitution.


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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Huh, and here I thought you were basing your 'opinion' of homosexuality and SSM on yoru Christian beliefs. I guess I'll rethink that, since this obviously does not indicate very Christian thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Finally? I have discussed previously what marriage is for and one of the main reasons is for protecting children that are, yes, created through the act of procreation that can only, besides in-vitro or cloning, be accomplished by opposite sex couplings. Marriage does not specifically require procreation, just the general likelihood of the ability to procreate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    No to your first question, In a free society I do not think it is possible, plausibly optimal but probably not possible...but if a SS couple have them one takes ones chances and gets what one gets in custody battles... one cannot complain and besides, no sympathy, not my/our problem.

    I would certainly not allow for SS adoption. Toleration is one thing, condoning, acceptance or promotion is simply out of the question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And then are the children of gay couples less worthy of protection? They exist, thru natural reproduction, thru surrogacy, thru IV, thru adoption....do they not deserve the protection that marriage affords straight families?

    Because gay couples do desire families just as much as straight couples...and have them. Legalizing SSM wont change that...it will only provide more protections for families, kids. Gays arent going to stop having families......
    I also missed any explanations of how their families are any different than those of straight couples. You know...the whole 'how is their lifestyle/culture different?' thing that has been unanswered.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Three word answer, liberal activist judges.
    Completely meaningless. An activist judge is simply one that doesn't rule the way you want them to. And as for being liberal, that is a judgement based on biased of a singular decision made by such judges.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    So, in other words you don't really have those protected classes listed in the constitution which you said were there. Then you said that you had sent me links to them which I had ignored...now you are telling me these protected classes are not, as I had originally stated they were not, in the Constitution. So they are made up classes that can be unmade, they are not Constitutionally protected classes, they are only court, so far, protected classes.

    Please try to remain within the guidelines of truth... have caught, and identified, a couple of prevarications by you so far on this thread... hard to take someone seriously when they play fast and loose with truth.
    I never said that they were specifically written in the Constitution itself, but they are covered and they are part of constitutional law and precedence. You don't have to approve of the way our system works, but complaining and making stupid demands on the internet isn't going to change how they currently work.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Cool. So if I start up a FMFA campaign - Federal Marriage Freedom Amendment - you'll contribute to it? And propagandize for it? And argue as vociferously (if asininely, cloylingly, and populistically) for it as you do on this subject in every other thread?
    Gay marriage is a non issue with me so I would not waste my time or effort fighting for or against it but if it becomes law I want it to do so constitutionally, that is a big issue with me.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Obviously we've hit on the solution to this problem: a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage bans in the United States. Surely our Constitutional conservatives, having already ceded the moral ground and the public space, will have no problem adopting such a campaign as their own.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    And to stop state laws that don't violate the constitution you should have an over riding federal law that renders them immediately null and void. It is about separation of powers.
    They are basing the decisions on gender discrimination...that violates the Constitution.

    Some states also specifically designate sexual orientation as a protected class.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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