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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Our constitution is mainly just a framework for governing, not the answers... remember, you could not give me references to your protected classes...

    The new amendment would override the 14th in whichever areas it chose to, you cannot limit it.... the 21st amendment repealed, overrode the 18th... that is how it works.

    And sorry, EP only trumps if the court uses your, and its, silly calculus to arrive at a bad answer.
    Actually, I gave you the references spelled out in constitutional law. You simply denied/ignored them.

    Yes, a new Amendment would override the 14th. But you have to actually pass that Amendment first. As of now, the EPC of the 14th is being violated by bans on same sex couples getting married.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Under equal protection of the laws, just as the right for inmates to marry without needing permission from their warden (Turner v Safley), the right for those who owe child support to marry (Zablocki v Redhail), and even the right for interracial couples to marry (Loving v VA).
    I am against judges making law from the bench no matter if they are right or wrong, that is where we differ.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    "The will of the people" changes. As of last year, 56% of Michiganians wanted to overturn the ban.


    Quite frankly, conservatives who are so fond of pointing out that "this is a republic, not a democracy" should extend that to this issue, also - "The People" do not exist as a single organism; their hive mind is not worthy of respect; and an educated elite is preferable to an uneducated rabble. An 'activist judge' is far more attractive a hero than a sans-culotte, especially if the shoeless fellow comes bearing a crucifix.
    Can you give me your sources on just who all these anonymous conservatives of which you speak are, and give some sources of them commonly pointing out what you say... anybody we might have all heard of, or followed... or just some that you "know of"?

    Most true conservatives know our Constitution... so I would say you are playing a little fast and loose, perhaps anecdotal, perhaps totally made up? Sounds like total BS to me
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am against judges making law from the bench no matter if they are right or wrong, that is where we differ.

    But who has made law from the bench? If your problem is with the initial Windsor ruling, your qualm lies with the U.S. Supreme Court. But every decision legalizing gay marriage flows steadily and logically from Windsor. From your perspective you should blame the Supreme Court, not the state courts deciding on the basis of Constitutional precedent following Windsor.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Absolutely. And I'll go one step further in the direction of elitism, surely further than any of our egalitarian left-liberals will go: the very life of a single educated elite is objectively more valuable than the lives of ten or a hundred West Virginian Southern Baptists.

    That's elitist. I don't care. 'Elitism' is not a dirty word. Conservatives of old understood this - and supported the elite.
    I think you have done very well here at showing how elitism is indeed a dirty word.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am against judges making law from the bench no matter if they are right or wrong, that is where we differ.
    And I am for efficiency in our law, especially when it favors individual rights because individual rights are very important to a free and fair country/society, like ours is supposed to be.

    And no laws are being "made" from the bench. Laws that violate the Constitution are being struck down and rendered unenforceable, as they should be.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I know, lets celebrate liberal activist judges overruling the will of the people.
    It is a civil rights issue and the majority cannot decide on the rights of the minority.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Can you give me your sources on just who all these anonymous conservatives of which you speak are, and give some sources of them commonly pointing out what you say... anybody we might have all heard of, or followed... or just some that you "know of"?

    Most true conservatives know our Constitution... so I would say you are playing a little fast and loose, perhaps anecdotal, perhaps totally made up? Sounds like total BS to me

    I don't think you've understood my point at all.

    Drive down through any town in West Virginia, or rural Kentucky, or even my own native southern Illinois. The cars are on blocks that eerily resemble the native's heads in those locations. There are three teeth for every four people. Do you really want this trash on your side?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I think you have done very well here at showing how elitism is indeed a dirty word.
    Elitism is proper. We should engage in it more often. All men are create equal, but not all men perform at the else levels. To the most competent goes the spoils.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And I am for efficiency in our law, especially when it favors individual rights because individual rights are very important to a free and fair country/society, like ours is supposed to be.

    And no laws are being "made" from the bench. Laws that violate the Constitution are being struck down and rendered unenforceable, as they should be.
    The Nazi's were efficient too.

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