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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    My response was apt. Deuce destroyed your argument, and rather than address it you say "nice try." You should take your own advice.

    The truly funny thing though is that your arguments, terrible as they are, are just as bad as the ones presented in court.
    You, per usual, do not even have a clue as to what you are actually talking about. So, what's new?

    But just for kicks, since you seem so blissfully confident... why don't you recount my destruction... a little bit of work never hurt the...wait a minute, what? You consider yourself Very Conservative...when and how did that happen...in what ways?

    Anyhow, it is asserted ahead of time that we certainly understand you are no Sherlock Holmes when it comes to sleuthing, not to mention an abysmal record regarding powers of accurate deduction...

    But no, go ahead, I am interested in your viewing first hand your manner of thinking, just how you deduce, how you arrive at your misconceptions.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In favor of the rights of the people and upholding the guarantees of the US Constitution, always.
    I refuse to celebrate liberal activist judges running rough shod over the will of the people.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I refuse to celebrate liberal activist judges running rough shod over the will of the people.
    Okay. I prefer to uphold the US Constitution and the rights of all citizens, not just those in a simple majority who wish to suppress/control others based solely on their personal beliefs.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I know, lets celebrate liberal activist judges overruling the will of the people.
    "The will of the people" changes. As of last year, 56% of Michiganians wanted to overturn the ban.


    Quite frankly, conservatives who are so fond of pointing out that "this is a republic, not a democracy" should extend that to this issue, also - "The People" do not exist as a single organism; their hive mind is not worthy of respect; and an educated elite is preferable to an uneducated rabble. An 'activist judge' is far more attractive a hero than a sans-culotte, especially if the shoeless fellow comes bearing a crucifix.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Okay. I prefer to uphold the US Constitution and the rights of all citizens, not just those in a simple majority who wish to suppress/control others based solely on their personal beliefs.
    You are correct, the right to marry for gays is clearly spelled out in the constitution.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The main thing to base what is considered "wrong" off of is the US Constitution.

    When you get a supermajority to put into place a ban on same sex marriages, or an Amendment that allows for you to ban same sex marriage without violating the equal protection guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, then you can have your way. Til then, equal protection overrides the will of the simple (50%) majority. A good percentage of those who support same sex marriage are heterosexual.
    Our constitution is mainly just a framework for governing, not the answers... remember, you could not give me references to your protected classes...

    The new amendment would override the 14th in whichever areas it chose to, you cannot limit it.... the 21st amendment repealed, overrode the 18th... that is how it works.

    And sorry, EP only trumps if the court uses your, and its, silly calculus to arrive at a bad answer.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    "The will of the people" changes. As of last year, 56% of Michiganians wanted to overturn the ban.


    Quite frankly, conservatives who are so fond of pointing out that "this is a republic, not a democracy" should extend that to this issue, also - "The People" do not exist as a single organism; their hive mind is not worthy of respect; and an educated elite is preferable to an uneducated rabble. An 'activist judge' is far more attractive a hero than a sans-culotte, especially if the shoeless fellow comes bearing a crucifix.
    So only the uneducated rabble are against gay marriage huh. Typical elitist attitude.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    There's nothing wrong with judicial activism.

    Is every voter educated on the nuances of Constitutional law?

    No.

    Is every voter up-to-date on the latest in political philosophy? Or well-versed in the classics of the genre?

    No.

    The average voter is a moron who imagines oil to be created ex nihilo in the ground, who thinks a Jewish sky-daddy killed Himself to save them from Himself, and that the universe has existed for less time than it has taken light to travel to Earth from the nearest star.

    The average voter is a rube. "The People" are a mass of morons.

    This is a republic, after all, and not a democracy.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You are correct, the right to marry for gays is clearly spelled out in the constitution.
    Under equal protection of the laws, just as the right for inmates to marry without needing permission from their warden (Turner v Safley), the right for those who owe child support to marry (Zablocki v Redhail), and even the right for interracial couples to marry (Loving v VA).
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So only the uneducated rabble are against gay marriage huh. Typical elitist attitude.
    Absolutely. And I'll go one step further in the direction of elitism, surely further than any of our egalitarian left-liberals will go: the very life of a single educated elite is objectively more valuable than the lives of ten or a hundred West Virginian Southern Baptists.

    That's elitist. I don't care. 'Elitism' is not a dirty word. Conservatives of old understood this - and supported the elite.
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