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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    None of your "counters" have any bearing in this discussion. They hold no legal weight.

    The people are always limited by the US Constitution. And this issue involves a constitutional challenge. Your group of people are free to do whatever you think you must to prevent same sex marriage. But expect to lose. The tide has turned, and it isn't going back.
    Screw your legalese crap... this is society we are talking about here, not your day at the courthouse chatting it up with attorneys and paralegals.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Reasonable to you... so in the states where people like you want it, have at it... do not make the unreasonable attempt at forcing it down the rest of our throats...

    I am not a lawyer, do not intend to be one, and the idea that all our culture has to be given the thumbs up approval of lawyers is purely asinine. You are just substituting lawyer for king now... truly a tyranny.
    It is from a "reasonable person standpoint". That means reasonable from a court of law. Guess which side has been winning those on this issue?

    I can't stand lawyers, but even if we did away with lawyers on this issue, my side would still win. We have the sound, reasonable arguments here, not those that oppose same sex marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Who's we? We have restrictions against the majority doing such things. So, no, without any just cause, and that being more than a majority not liking it, you can't treat them differently. Sorry.
    We, the People...ever heard of US? Apparently not.

    What restrictions? If there is sufficient majority, we can obtain an amendment to do pretty much anything we desire...except take away inalienable rights... you would agree wouldn't you? How does that equate with your views on the majority?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Screw your legalese crap... this is society we are talking about here, not your day at the courthouse chatting it up with attorneys and paralegals.
    We are discussing marriage laws. That requires us to talk about it from a legal standpoint. Marriage is a legal contract within this country.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We, the People...ever heard of US? Apparently not.

    What restrictions? If there is sufficient majority, we can obtain an amendment to do pretty much anything we desire...except take away inalienable rights... you would agree wouldn't you? How does that equate with your
    You are not a designated representative of the rest of the citizens of the US. You aren't even a designated representative of the majority. You are just you. You don't get to speak for "we the people". All of us who are for same sex marriage being legal are part of that "we the people". It is "we the people", not "we the majority".
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is from a "reasonable person standpoint". That means reasonable from a court of law. Guess which side has been winning those on this issue?

    I can't stand lawyers, but even if we did away with lawyers on this issue, my side would still win. We have the sound, reasonable arguments here, not those that oppose same sex marriage.
    We as a country do not have to stand for "what is reasonable in a court of law". If its wrong, we don't allow it. If we are forced to comply against the majority will, that is unreasonable.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We as a country do not have to stand for "what is reasonable in a court of law". If its wrong, we don't allow it. If we are forced to comply against the majority will, that is unreasonable.
    Again, you are not a designated representative for the country. You don't get to speak for the citizens of the US as a whole or the country as a whole.

    Wrong is subjective. The US Constitution is specifically designed to override the will of the majority when that will violates the rights of others.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We are discussing marriage laws. That requires us to talk about it from a legal standpoint. Marriage is a legal contract within this country.
    No, not when it comes to fundamental changes in our culture we don't. You can, you do, because its been structured to go the wrong way here, the way you would like it to go. We do not have to stand for that as a culture. If its wrong and we do not want it, no court tricks are gonna make it happen.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    No, not when it comes to fundamental changes in our culture we don't. You can, you do, because its been structured to go the wrong way here. We do not have to stand for that as a culture. If its wrong and we do not want it, no court tricks are gonna make it happen.
    No we are discussing marriage laws. Cultures change all the time, including ours.

    You can jump up and down and scream "we won't stand for this" to your hearts desire, while the rest of us sit back and laugh at such antics because they are completely foolish and are not going to accomplish anything.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Wow, what an frightfully poor analysis.

    Why should I tell you again, I have written pages and pages and pages of why it should be... illegal.

    You think because we are a tolerant nation, that because we have been flexible with this group, a group whose lifestyle includes things that many cannot even bear to take more than a few seconds to shutter thinking about what... see, I need to shove those thoughts away...so the fact that we have been so tolerant of allowing for gay coupling, allowed gay forms of sex to become legal, did not stop gays from going around the system to have children, the fact that some states now allow for gay marriage, that we have allowed all this and now there is a demand for more... that just, in your mind, should be a reason to just say YES...

    How absurdly hilarious.
    See bold: how, under the Constitution, could you possibly infringe on the liberty and pursuit of happiness and privacy of Americans by attempting to make those things illegal?

    It's as unAmerican as you can be to infringe on personal lives like that, and to encourage the gross govt growth and intrusion into our lives to do so. Esp, since after 70+ pages, you cannot show ANY harm done. None. Just gives you icky thoughts.


    (And btw, most people dont go around thinking about gay sex...anymore than we do seeing straight couples and thinking about them having sex. If you do, that is your personal perversion, that you cannot control your thoughts, that you are so focused on them as sex acts and not people. YOU have a problem...not the rest of us....MOST people dont do that, so stop assuming we do. You are like a Muslim that wants women to cover up so you arent tempted. It's up to you to control your thoughts....not ask the govt. to do it for you.)
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