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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Would you care to explain that offensive idiotic remark?
    There is nothing to explain, stating that only couples who can procreate need to get married is ignorant bigotry. Which part did you have difficulty understanding?

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, but it's fair to point out inconsistencies in what people get upset about. You know, when democrat does it, wild outrage. When republican does it, silence.
    What alternative universe are we living in these days?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Nice try.
    Judge: "And now the court will hear the defense for the ban against same sex marriage."
    Defense: "Your honor, same sex couples cannot have children, and so they should not be able to be married."
    Judge: And what of infertile or old couples, or those who simply have no desire to have children?"
    Defense: "Nice try, your honor."

    Again, there's a good reason why your side is doing poorly in court.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post

    You are free to love and to marry whomever you care to [ as long as they want as well ], nobody is stopping you. Just do not expect the marriage to be sanctioned by the state... or by the rest of us.
    You assessment is ALMOST correct. The State will sanction SSM, you are free to do as you please.


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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Equal status in the eyes of the law is not a true equivalency.

    Who established that to be an absolute and why?

    Of course they did.

    And they made sure that a tyranny of the majority would not be possible either.

    It is not that marriage is a right, but rather that the state does not have the authority to prevent a person from marrying someone that person wants.
    Okay... and so? See, I know I am too wordy in most of my posts, but now, since you said the obtuse without doing the work of fleshing it out, we have lost the original point... and I am just too busy to go back and look right now...so...next...

    It is not necessarily an absolute, but if we the people want it that way, we damn well can keep it that way. It is a proven method that has worked wonderfully for us for generation after generation...along with other attributes within the system, its helped take us to supremacy in world power, a good world power on the whole, and mightily impressive domestic economics...why fix something that isn't broken, as they say. That help you out any?

    You are just flat out wrong on preclusion.

    Well, because of the system we have, though not precluded, we do have less chance for tyranny here, agreed. Not allowing same sex marriage is in no way to be associated with a tyranny in any event. Would only mean that we the people have spoken about what is and is not allowed in our society... as an exaggerated example, we don't have a tyranny over murderers just because we don't allow murder... the majority believe that we either execute or put in prison for a long time most who would break rules set by a society, the majority of society. In the exaggerated case here, nearly everybody, so nearly a unanimous majority. That is not tyranny.

    And you are free, in your own way, to marry whomever you want, nobody will/can stop you if the other is able and willing to give consent... just don't expect state sanction and recognition is all. No biggie for people truly in love... I mean if love and partnership is really what you are after, anyhow.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    You are free to do as you please... just don't expect me or the state to give our blessings. Pursue away at your own pleasure and at your own expense. If you had been keeping up with the thread, you would already know that.
    Why not? You get such blessings. Equal rights say everyone should, unless you have just cause. And being the majority isn't enough.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    What alternative universe are we living in these days?
    I live in the real one. But if you have a point, make it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    And that is exactly what they are prevented fro doing in some places, getting married.

    Who is the "we" because last I looked it was only a minority.

    No, because you have no point.
    Marriage has been taken up elsewhere many times in this thread by me.

    Show me the votes, actual votes, not polls by whomever... where have you and your side the majority of votes?

    Ummm....Not very astutely argued there, I am afraid... couldn't come up with even one single actual counter, I mean besides the equivalent of putting your hands on your hips, jutting your chin forward and sticking out your tongue?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    There is nothing to explain, stating that only couples who can procreate need to get married is ignorant bigotry. Which part did you have difficulty understanding?
    For one thing I didn't state that categorically... go back and reread, I was recapping a point [ with a question ] from another poster...

    Reading comprehension oftentimes just isn't what it might be here.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Judge: "And now the court will hear the defense for the ban against same sex marriage."
    Defense: "Your honor, same sex couples cannot have children, and so they should not be able to be married."
    Judge: And what of infertile or old couples, or those who simply have no desire to have children?"
    Defense: "Nice try, your honor."

    Again, there's a good reason why your side is doing poorly in court.
    This is pretty much how it went down in the Prop 8 case.
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