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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    WTF? Can someone explain that one to me?
    It easy, you have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to petition your government for redress of grievances, freedom to assemble...

    You can make your case freely, nobody is stopping you from doing so. Doesn't mean you get your way, but with those inalienable rights, and a few others, you may potentially achieve the majority and then you get to rule in the area of concern.

    Study your history, our government ... this should have all been Civics class, what, in middle school, perhaps American Government in high school? Public school did ya dirty did they?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We also don't have to have a discussion on gun control every time someone makes a justified or unjustified use of a firearm in self-defense, but people fall all over themselves to post those stories. We don't have to have comments every time someone gets stabbed about "SOUNDS LIKE TIME FOR KNIFE CONTROL RIGHT LIBRULS HURR HURR"

    But we have those discussions.

    We don't have to a have a discussion about the IRS every time any scandal comes up.

    But we have those discussions.
    I'm not saying that it has never happened with conservative issues. See, this is where you make your fallacy. We aren't talking about equivalency. Unless you live your life by a standard that as long as someone else does something then it's ok for you to do too. I don't know of many adults that live their lives like that, or if I do, I don't hold them in any regard.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We have to be on guard for both Boo. The minority have minority inalienable rights as protections... that does not give you a free pass to all.
    No one said a free pass to all. But as I'm allowed to pursue happiness, and a mate certainly qualifies as to what may make me happy, you need more than just being a majority to override my right.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Meh. If you are the fruit of your ideology, then I think you do us all a service by making posts like these so we know how to judge it.

    I have worked in social services long enough to understand the realities of this world. I have seen opposite sex couples who neglect and abuse children. Just being an opposite sex couple does not imbue people with the natural ability to parent or act responsibly in the best interest of children. There are same sex couples who are responsible and very capable parents. Even in this case, the state of Michigan argued that these two women are excellent parents. Somehow your ideology blinds you so deftly that you ignore reality and choose to believe that same sex couples who could be excellent parents should be denied that opportunity based on nothing more than because they are same sex couples, and even if that puts children in less qualified homes or as continued wards of the state. Truly, you represent your ideology well, where you care so little for children as to put your own selfish interest ahead of what is in the best interest of kids who need good and stable homes.
    Hey, we work on the problems, we don't compound them nationally, regionally or by state just to accommodate some rarity. I am sure a few, maybe a Dale Earnhardt, Jr., could drive the highways at 120mph, doesn't mean we let him do it... I don't think that is what laws are made for, just to accommodate the exceptions.

    Never said same sex couples could not have children or that they may not in some cases be better than some opposite sex couples... just saying that the state does not have to sanction this kind of marriage or adoption, does not have to condone it, accept nor promote it in any shape, form or manner.

    You have your views and you try to put me in a box, the bad box... sorry... no bad box for me. I take into consideration that some, obviously very few as a percentage, children in this situation... as well as overall health of our society... there are many opposite sex folk clamoring for babies to adopt... and it is just commonsensical for them to be allowed to do so.

    Your ideology wants the fast, surface only fix to a problem... an ideology for those who care not much at all, most not even giving a cursory examination as to whether all the wheels are set to fly off somewhere down the road...not as long as we have a nice warm fuzzy microwave-fast fix right now... so you can quickly realize that feel-good-about-yourself glow for a moment or two, then forget about the whole thing as you whistle speedily off down the road.

    You folks on that side want to concentrate your real determined efforts on making my side the bad guys. Makes you feel better to point at us and say we are the meanies. Well, your side keeps getting us into these deep holes with only the application of a band-aid to fix/cover up the problem...hidden, growing deeper and deeper as we ignore what is behind the band-aid, go on to open other wounds to which we affix another fast band-aid... you folks are all about feeling good for the moment, laying blame elsewhere and creating new problems for the future, like you advocate on this issue... and will later take absolutely no blame[pawn it off on my side] for what mayhem you create, will take no measure of what havoc you will sentence us all to in the future.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    60% of Republicans under the age of 30 support same sex marriage. Revolution starts with the young, not with the old.
    More and more people on both sides are beginning to realize what a load of crap they have been sold by your side... folks like Obama have created the American Awakening on that point. We should all have to grow up sometime... well, I guess if one thinks liberally one actually may live in never never land...at least until it collapses around you.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'm not saying that it has never happened with conservative issues. See, this is where you make your fallacy. We aren't talking about equivalency. Unless you live your life by a standard that as long as someone else does something then it's ok for you to do too. I don't know of many adults that live their lives like that, or if I do, I don't hold them in any regard.
    No, but it's fair to point out inconsistencies in what people get upset about. You know, when democrat does it, wild outrage. When republican does it, silence.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Huh? Explain.
    Equal status in the eyes of the law is not a true equivalency.

    What changed? The whole idea of marriage that we have had since prior to the founding of this nation.
    Who established that to be an absolute and why?

    Precluded? They did nothing of the sort in the Constitution.
    Of course they did.

    What they did do is give us all a bill of inalienable rights which include our protections of the minority, freedom of speech, press, relgion, to petition our govt for grievances and freedom to assemble with like minded people [ or whoever we want ]. That is what the founders provided... they did not want a tyranny of the minority again, either, having just fought against and rid themselves from the tyranny of George III.
    And they made sure that a tyranny of the majority would not be possible either.

    States have the power, reserved in the Constitution, to make such decisions about marriage, education, state taxes, blah blah blah... they are not taking away people's rights, they never had those rights in the first place to be taken away. Marriage is not a Constitutional right... if you think so, point out to me in the Constitution where you find it.
    It is not that marriage is a right, but rather that the state does not have the authority to prevent a person from marrying someone that person wants.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonely Eternity View Post
    As a hard working, tax paying, 2nd class citizen of the United States born and raised... I don't think I should have to pay taxes to a government, state or federal, that is willingly going to deny me the rights and priviledges of full citizenship just because some douchebags think it is icky or deviant. These people can't even come up with a valid reason for the denial of these rights. People don't like it. We get it. Don't get married to someone of the same gender. It is really that easy. Oh, we have to protect traditional marriage. You know what, it's too late for that ****. Y'all let Kim and Brittany do it for you. Gays are gross! Take your binoculars off and mind your own damn business. We don't want to bake a cake for those damn homos. Fine. Just pray you don't live in an area with an anti-discrimination policy that includes orientation. My religion doesn't agree with it! Well that's too damn bad. We don't live in a theocracy. This is a country with blended cultures. Get over it.

    I will fight for my right to be treated equally and fairly under the law. There is no reason to deny me the right to marry a man of my choice and there never has been. People not liking it isn't reason enough. It's protection from the tyranny of the majority, not the tyranny of minority.
    Nice incoherent rant... not much to pick from the muddled mess to discuss.

    Perhaps these two.

    You are free to love and to marry whomever you care to [ as long as they want as well ], nobody is stopping you. Just do not expect the marriage to be sanctioned by the state... or by the rest of us. Oh, and if your penchant is love and marriage to children, I would wait on the whole consummation of marriage thing. Prison may or may not be your bag.

    And we are at least somewhat in agreement on the whole taxes thing... I agree, lets pay less taxes to this overbearing government, limit its size...yeah man...kumbaya my lord, kumbaya...
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    They can do exactly what others can, just have to do it the way others do it as well.
    And that is exactly what they are prevented fro doing in some places, getting married.

    Myriad reasons, most of all we just don't want that as being a part of our culture, our society.
    Who is the "we" because last I looked it was only a minority.

    Second its unnatural, third its unnecessary, fourth allowing this deviance will open the floodgates to others, fifth...well, you get the point.
    No, because you have no point.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one said a free pass to all. But as I'm allowed to pursue happiness, and a mate certainly qualifies as to what may make me happy, you need more than just being a majority to override my right.
    You are free to do as you please... just don't expect me or the state to give our blessings. Pursue away at your own pleasure and at your own expense. If you had been keeping up with the thread, you would already know that.
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