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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    None that I know of, so they mix, if allowed, with the dominant culture under their rules. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

    There is no necessity nor requirement to allow the non norm, deviance, to be equated with the norm. It would be untrue to begin with. All those you mention, they don't get to have everything changed to accomodate them. There are standard car sizes and door sizes that the tall must adjust to, we don't make everybody right-handed write with their left, or start on the opposite side of the page so its easier to write. All those outside the norm adjust to the norm, not vice versa.

    Yes indeed, these totalitarian stage liberals probably would kill homosexuals, another reason for homosexuals not to bite the hand of all that treat them so well.

    Show me the votes, actual votes, where the majority of the country is on your side. Not polls conducted by who knows who, what the actual questions were, who they were choosing to poll, etc... How about we vote on it by state, that's reasonable. If a state wants SSM, thats up to them [ you seem to be ok with that ]. If a state doesn't want it, thats up to them [ you don't seem to be okay with that, don't states get equal protection under the law?].
    states are not free to impose unequal protection under the law on citizens within them banning gay marriage dose that deal with it

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    You have no values as established by OUR common Constitution. They get equal protection under the existing laws, they don't get special privileges [marrying another gender was not a part of our laws ] under the laws as that would not be equal [ and please don't start with the state's legitimate interest stuff again, its a false equivalence...saying it three more times does not erase that. I have my vote and my opinion and that along with a minimum of 50 plus % and we maintain the status quo.

    Same sex couples aren't hurt, they will live no doubt. If they were happy type people before, they will be after. If not a happy person, they will probably remain unhappy.

    Go back and reread the posts. The majority assertion was in number of states with same sex bans/definitions of marriage being traditional, 34-16, and with the pew poll coming in at 46% opposed to SSM and 45% agreeing---with an article from pew itself indicating that polling understates opposition to SSM by about 5 to 7% I think the article says. Talk about faulty, you really should be able to read, comprehend and remember a bit better than that for your age.
    back to the old mixed race couples have equal protection because their free to marry some 1 of the same race like the racists can and the racist are not free to marry some 1 of another race

    same rules for every one not actually = protection under the law

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yeah, damn us guys who want some semblance of order, are against complete chaos, who allow for personal liberty but not anything/everything goes, no matter how deviant, how gross, how pathetic, how sad. Damn those guys who want to keep America strong, preserve it for coming generations... why can't they just go along with the me me me... be hip and turn on, drop out... why can't they just promote the be less than you can be and expect the same from everybody else policies like the rest of us...

    ...blah blah blah...
    ssm dose not = anarchy silly

    we wont just go along with you because your rants do = ...blah blah blah

    no one trying to be trendy or cool you are just appealing to tradition some times though

    but every one is mostly concerned about what's right and wrong in this case even you its just you seem to be terribly misguided and not thinking clearly and yes I know you feel the same way about me

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Only if they were of the same sex.
    that's why your principle of fertility tears itself down

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Of course it changed. It changed in a HUGE way....a woman is now an equal partner in a marriage, not chattel, not a servant to her husband, unable to own property, unable to leave if she chooses, no longer forced to endure his beatings, unable to refuse him sex, unable to retain custody of children, unable to refuse to be committed to a home for the insane, etc..

    A woman's status in this country was examined by SCOTUS and determined that women are not 2nd class citizens, but are instead eligible for exactly the same rights as men, including in a marriage.

    Did marriage and America collapse when that happened? No.

    Well, SCOTUS is now examining issues regarding gays....and several states have already designated homosexuals as a protected class. Several states have already legalized SSM. Better pull on your big girl panties.....SSM will become the law of the land.
    we have more age restrictions now to

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    In other words, you have NOTHING. You cannot show LEGALLY why it should be illegal here in America. Hey I hear Iran is more to your liking, maybe you should move there. They even put Gays to death there which is more to your liking. You have more in common with Iranian governmen than Americans. I'm sure you even blame 9/11 on gays.
    Sounds like an attention deficit symptom being expressed. Don't feel so bad, many, too many, have trouble focusing over long periods.

    But do try looking over the the thread, have shown what is required time and time again, all legal...read read read my man...sure am not gonna invest more time than this to such a vacuously offensive post... But I would suggest that better advantage of the trip you suggest might be achieved, why don't you go to Iran, ha ha ha, maybe then you may gain a proper understanding and an appreciation of what tolerance is actually worth. Take a few of your buddies over, maybe one out of three of you can come back [ if they let you keep your head ] and start a movement in appreciation to just how well we all have it here...yano?

    Best one might say in general reply to insipid/vapidly agressive posts such as this, just shut up. Please don't reply to my future posts if you don't have anything even minimally worthwhile and only the banal and loud-mouthedly confrontational to say.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why? You seemed to think procreation was integral to marriage. If that's the case, the infertile shouldn't marry because they cannot procreate.
    Well then, maybe you can make it your mission to work on making that happen? Procreation isn't the whole deal though, man...yano?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I will lay it out for you in simple language.

    There is no historical basis in the United States for prohibiting marriages that are incapable of creating biological offspring.

    No state in the country has ever required a couple to possess the capacity or inclination to procreate as a prerequisite to marriage.

    Sterility or infertility have never constituted legal grounds for the annulment of a marriage in any state in the United States.

    No state has ever prohibited post-menopausal women or sterile men from marrying.

    Inability to have a child has never been a ground of divorce in any state in the United States.

    Your standard that same sex couples are excluded from marriage because of an inability to naturally procreate is based on nothing but ignorance because that is standard that has never been required of opposite sex couples by law in the United States and it is bigoted because you are intolerant of same sex couples even having children regardless of their ability to parent.

    Does that clear it up for you?
    Oh it is a great explanation to nothing I actually espoused. A more careful reading of that and the post it was a response to, my mere recapping of a position taken by the other poster, only to make a point. I don't have a desire to stop the random couples who, unfortunately, are unable to create children with their opposite sex spouse... they, surely less we, often don't even know until later. We do know immediately with SS couples... but it was only a supplementary point in a discussion of reasons to have marriage, the ideas under-girding marriage in the first place...

    ummm, get it?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Define "legitimate" Because I asked you a question you have yet to answer.
    As per webster-merriam, the appropriate definition: being exactly as purposed : neither spurious nor false
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Of course not...we are still women...but with equal rights in marriage.

    SSM doesnt change gay men or gay women....it just gives them equal rights in marriage.

    And I can only gloat over your waiting...and eventual realization, lolololol.
    Gloat and keep waiting and waiting...then gloat some more, then waiting waiting...
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