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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Huh? Explain.

    What changed? The whole idea of marriage that we have had since prior to the founding of this nation.
    Of course it changed. It changed in a HUGE way....a woman is now an equal partner in a marriage, not chattel, not a servant to her husband, unable to own property, unable to leave if she chooses, no longer forced to endure his beatings, unable to refuse him sex, unable to retain custody of children, unable to refuse to be committed to a home for the insane, etc..

    A woman's status in this country was examined by SCOTUS and determined that women are not 2nd class citizens, but are instead eligible for exactly the same rights as men, including in a marriage.

    Did marriage and America collapse when that happened? No.

    Well, SCOTUS is now examining issues regarding gays....and several states have already designated homosexuals as a protected class. Several states have already legalized SSM. Better pull on your big girl panties.....SSM will become the law of the land.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Only if they were of the same sex.
    Why? You seemed to think procreation was integral to marriage. If that's the case, the infertile shouldn't marry because they cannot procreate.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And no matter how many times you wish otherwise, equal protection works a certain way. SCOTUS created the system, and SCOTUS applies it. You think that's not how it should work, but your opinion on what should be isn't exactly relevant to those nine people.

    You have a fundamental misunderstanding about the constitutional issues here. You're starting with the 51% vote, and you think that is definitive. It isn't. The states and the people are both bound by the constitution. The 9th and 10th amendments give the states a lot of leeway, but in every case the people and the states are still bound by the 14th amendment in the same way they are bound by the 2nd or the 13th. No number of votes, no state constitutional amendment, and no amount of votes of a legislative body can reinstate slavery because the US constitution prevents it with the 13th amendment.

    The 14th works the same way. States have all sorts of power to implement laws, as do the people via ballot measure if their state allows it. But in every case this is bound by the 14th, so the only relevant question here is whether or not same-sex marriage bans violate the 14th amendment. You keep saying the 14th doesn't specifically mention state interests and whatnot. That's entirely true, but it doesn't matter, because the Supreme Court of the United States says that this is how it works.

    And that's why you are about to lose this battle before the Supreme Court, and same-sex marriage will be legal nationwide. I predict middle of 2015, based on how SCOTUS' schedule works. Could theoretically be later this year, but I doubt it.


    -Property inheritance problems
    -Child custody problems
    -Medical power of attorney
    -Compelled testimony against spouse in civil or criminal cases
    -Confiscated social security/other death benefits

    These are measures of harm.
    Maybe, maybe not. If the SC invents something that doesn't work, if they piss enough of us off, enough people who think as I do, then I am sure they will become a bit more concerned about it. You see, they don't get to forge some silly rule then try to force it fit all cases, no matter what, thus upsetting the system... we do not have to stand for that. The society is ours, not the nine justices'.

    You keep on bringing up apples and oranges arguments... of course the apple ones are winners, no denying them, but your 14th arguments are just plain stinkers and are not relevant like the 13th would be. The 14th doesn't just allow everybody everything, can't you get that through, how many times must this be said before you understand that?

    If the SC missteps on this like they did in the Obamacare and the Kelo rulings, if they misstep on the current one on religious freedom... well, I think you will have enough disenchanted folks out here who will think the system is bankrupt and completely broken... at minimum civil disobedience will be the order of the day and we are gonna have a battle royale over the direction of this country that may go beyond just debate...

    Lot of us out here are getting pretty damn fed up with all this beyond silly crap that you folks on the left keep shoveling...just expect us to somehow keep taking it all? I am telling you, keep heaping this malodorous excrement on the camels back, sometime soon its just gonna break.

    Easy resolutions and such:

    Make a will
    SS Shouldn't have children in the first place
    Medical power of atty, work out between the two beforehand
    Don't get yourself into criminal civil problems... or don't involve your partner
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. If the SC invents something that doesn't work, if they piss enough of us off, enough people who think as I do, then I am sure they will become a bit more concerned about it. You see, they don't get to forge some silly rule then try to force it fit all cases, no matter what, thus upsetting the system... we do not have to stand for that. The society is ours, not the nine justices'.

    You keep on bringing up apples and oranges arguments... of course the apple ones are winners, no denying them, but your 14th arguments are just plain stinkers and are not relevant like the 13th would be. The 14th doesn't just allow everybody everything, can't you get that through, how many times must this be said before you understand that?

    If the SC missteps on this like they did in the Obamacare and the Kelo rulings, if they misstep on the current one on religious freedom... well, I think you will have enough disenchanted folks out here who will think the system is bankrupt and completely broken... at minimum civil disobedience will be the order of the day and we are gonna have a battle royale over the direction of this country that may go beyond just debate...

    Lot of us out here are getting pretty damn fed up with all this beyond silly crap that you folks on the left keep shoveling...just expect us to somehow keep taking it all? I am telling you, keep heaping this malodorous excrement on the camels back, sometime soon its just gonna break.

    Easy resolutions and such:

    Make a will
    SS Shouldn't have children in the first place
    Medical power of atty, work out between the two beforehand
    Don't get yourself into criminal civil problems... or don't involve your partner
    Sorry about that... life ain't always fair... to anybody
    translation you have no solutions

    you understand that there is no substitute for marriage right? marriage grants about 1200 rights and protections at the federal level alone and some cant be duplicated any other way
    your post fails again
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    To endorse the people to act like Nero seems ill fated to me. Taxpayers should be furious about their will being countermanded by a tyranny of the few.

    We had a revolution about that.
    No, the minority should be protected from the tyranny of the majority. You have it wrong.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    SS Shouldn't have children in the first place
    So you are just going to take away the children who are being raised by same sex couples and prohibit same sex couples from raising kids? I consider that evil. You not only lost any credibility in my eyes but have shown your true character.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Not when they are not allowed to do the same things other can do.

    Why is not allowing to marry a person of the same gender part of it? Why should it remain so?

    Apparently you do not understand how our society and Constitution work.

    But they are denied what you take for granted and neither are you hurt in any way and you too will live.
    They can do exactly what others can, just have to do it the way others do it as well.

    Myriad reasons, most of all we just don't want that as being a part of our culture, our society. Second its unnatural, third its unnecessary, fourth allowing this deviance will open the floodgates to others, fifth...well, you get the point.

    Oh I understand alright. The 50 plus% is not for all occasions as has been discussed ad nauseum in this thread earlier...but the fact of the matter is if you folks on that side have less than that percentage, well, we would not even consider changing our whole idea of marriage. Period.

    Sorry, not good enough. We'll keep it that way it is, not broken so no need to fix it. Lots of people are denied lots of things. I want someone to just give me a yacht... lots of folks have them, why don't I get one too? And how about why do all the movie stars and rap artists get all the hotties, they just take if for granted, give me my share equal to theirs... I also want to play on an NBA team...
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why? You seemed to think procreation was integral to marriage. If that's the case, the infertile shouldn't marry because they cannot procreate.
    It is hypocrisy. Pure and simple and nothing more.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    That is nothing short of ignorant bigotry.
    Would you care to explain that offensive idiotic remark?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. If the SC invents something that doesn't work, if they piss enough of us off, enough people who think as I do, then I am sure they will become a bit more concerned about it. You see, they don't get to forge some silly rule then try to force it fit all cases, no matter what, thus upsetting the system... we do not have to stand for that. The society is ours, not the nine justices'.
    They are the highest court in the land. If they say same-sex marriage is a constitutional right and must be legal nation-wide, that's the law. Precisely zero people are going to do anything about it. Nobody is going to war over this, and that's what it would take to reject a Supreme Court decision: toppling the US government.

    You keep on bringing up apples and oranges arguments... of course the apple ones are winners, no denying them, but your 14th arguments are just plain stinkers and are not relevant like the 13th would be. The 14th doesn't just allow everybody everything, can't you get that through, how many times must this be said before you understand that?
    You have been told numerous times that nobody is suggesting that everything goes under the 14th. Maybe this will help you realize it finally, because either you are missing these posts or you're literally not smart enough to understand them. Nobody says equal protection fits everything. You've been told what the test is. Not everything passes that test.
    If the SC missteps on this like they did in the Obamacare and the Kelo rulings, if they misstep on the current one on religious freedom... well, I think you will have enough disenchanted folks out here who will think the system is bankrupt and completely broken... at minimum civil disobedience will be the order of the day and we are gonna have a battle royale over the direction of this country that may go beyond just debate...
    Nobody is going to war over same-sex marriage. That's just fantasy.

    Lot of us out here are getting pretty damn fed up with all this beyond silly crap that you folks on the left keep shoveling...just expect us to somehow keep taking it all? I am telling you, keep heaping this malodorous excrement on the camels back, sometime soon its just gonna break.
    So do it already and quit talking about it. I am so tired of all these whiny right-wingers ranting for years about tyranny, socialism, communism, "2nd amendment remedies," and all that internet tough guy bull****. It's all talk, you are never going to do a thing. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. So step up or quit embarrassing yourselves. If you really thought this was tyranny, you'd have been fighting already.
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