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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Well, does not take an Einstein to figure out that you will not be able to stop it, especially if you keep lowering the standards until there are none.
    it only takes a fool not to see that the slippery slope of yours can and will be stopped gay marriage is gaining ground because it meats standards and because the restriction makers no sense again like interracial marriage

    standards are not being done away with or lowered their being refined with reason

    kind of like how are voting rights are no longer limited to white mails with land, restriction have been dropped but kids dogs and tress still don't have the vote because of it

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So what if you have been around longer. That in no way makes you better, wiser, more educated, or even more experienced on this or any other issue than me. It simply makes you older.

    And there are many more conservatives/Republicans that support same sex marriage than there are liberals/Dems or even Independents that oppose it.
    In this case its rather obvious that it does mean that, and older too, sure.

    Let me see the hard numbers on that, if you would. And please do not link me to another liberal source. There are good reasons people do not trust those types of sources.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    In this case its rather obvious that it does mean that, and older too, sure.

    Let me see the hard numbers on that, if you would. And please do not link me to another liberal source. There are good reasons people do not trust those types of sources.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We have about 10 thousand years of data... how many same sex cultures have survived out there again?

    Oh yeah, none. Nada, zero, zilch.
    Roman Empire became Christian.

    Roman Empire no longer exists.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    And one who knows the constitution knows that the Ulimate power held by the people is the amendment process. The amendment process over-rides all laws and all Supreme Court rulings. It is the ultimate democracy.

    If you and like minded Americans wish to block SSM, all you have to do is propose and pass a constitutional amendment making marriage between One Male Human Being and One Female Human Being...and you and like minded Americans have exercised the ultimate democratic power.
    That is about the most rational thing said by your side so far.

    While the amendment process was put in place by the founders to have a way, a saftey valve, for changing things they want changed...but even then if that does not stop the Federal Government from acting in ways in defiance of the people's will, the people need to take action, as did the patriots in our Revolution against a national government not understanding its limits. Hope that doesn't have to happen again.

    But we also do not have to accept where the government is overstepping its boundaries as it is in this situation, not at all. If the federal government is interpreting things away from what is allowed/what is desired, is making up constructs that do not fit and do not comport with what the people want, we have a right to refuse to allow it. We do not need a constitutional amendment to call the Federal government on overstep.

    And conversely, if your side truly wants marriage to be any different than the traditional one man one woman, YOUR side can obtain that amendment.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    That is about the most rational thing said by your side so far.

    While the amendment process was put in place by the founders to have a way, a saftey valve, for changing things they want changed...but even then if that does not stop the Federal Government from acting in ways in defiance of the people's will, the people need to take action, as did the patriots in our Revolution against a national government not understanding its limits. Hope that doesn't have to happen again.

    But we also do not have to accept where the government is overstepping its boundaries as it is in this situation, not at all. If the federal government is interpreting things away from what is allowed/what is desired, is making up constructs that do not fit and do not comport with what the people want, we have a right to refuse to allow it. We do not need a constitutional amendment to call the Federal government on overstep.

    And conversely, if your side truly wants marriage to be any different than the traditional one man one woman, YOUR side can obtain that amendment.
    this is where all your posts fail to pieces and fail the government isnt doing that
    there is no "overstep"

    ZERO new amendment, the amendment, laws and rights already exists. it simply need protected. The protection of individual rights is whats going on, hence why your side is losing and equality is winning
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    In this case its rather obvious that it does mean that, and older too, sure.

    Let me see the hard numbers on that, if you would. And please do not link me to another liberal source. There are good reasons people do not trust those types of sources.
    You demand hard numbers but have never provided them yourself.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Wrong. You have nothing. There have never been solely same sex or solely opposite sex cultures. Every culture in history has had same sex couples.

    Of course, no culture in history has survived that is not around today period and many of the oldest are either free and embracing same sex marriage or they are oppressive to their people in the first place.
    We understand your reluctance to answer the question in a straightforward manner.

    So, let me ask it this way: how many predominantly same sex marriage cultures have survived vs opposite sex cultures? Same answer that you cannot bring yourself to admit. All the surviving cultures are predominantly hetero, none [zero ]are predominantly same sex.

    That means they, gay people/same sex couples survive at all only due to the having a dominant opposite sex culture. So they obviously live within the dominant culture and thus are subject to the rules of the dominant culture. Only if they were a tyrant would same sex folks get to legitimately determine the rules of the dominant culture.

    So if we are a tolerant nation, and we are, it should be understood that there have been eras and many, if not most, cultures that have not been very tolerant of what has been, and still is, a deviant/not normal conduct/behavior. Tolerance is no doubt how it should be, but that broadmindedness and forbearance should also be appreciated, be respected. With the additional provision, through means guaranteed through our Constitution, of minority rights, everyone has the right to do their best to convince a sufficient number of us in order to potentially become the wielder of the majority opinion. I agree with that, understanding that, without an amendment, all that has been adopted can also then be changed... if the people so decide.

    If that method is found insufficient by your side and then finds their only real resort is to use a court system that has been, preloaded with a canned approach, rigged in such a way that there is only one way the referee [ SC ] can make the call, no matter the will of the people, well, lets just say we have a real problem there.

    Now, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and their likes would probably be on your side, the founders more on ours. That Government and its allied systems trump the people was not their mantra at all. Our founders would leave this up to us.

    We have different ideas on a government or culture being oppressive. Hard to be overly oppressive if you have the majority on your side... much easier to be oppressive if those making the decision has been limited to a few people making the decisions for all the rest of us.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    In this case its rather obvious that it does mean that, and older too, sure.

    Let me see the hard numbers on that, if you would. And please do not link me to another liberal source. There are good reasons people do not trust those types of sources.
    So, tell me, what source would you prefer I show since you refuse to provide any of your own sources, ever?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The equal protection clause only applies to humans. Therefore there is no "state interest" test for a tree. Stop being ridiculous.
    Well then, just apply it the individual man, he is entitled to equal protection. So what now, where is the harm? Oh, I ll stop being ridiculous when you stop asking for the height of ridiculousness, SSM.

    Touche'. Now you kinda know what it feels like to argue with your side.
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