Page 61 of 116 FirstFirst ... 1151596061626371111 ... LastLast
Results 601 to 610 of 1157

Thread: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

  1. #601
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    12-16-17 @ 11:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,849

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We have about 10 thousand years of data... how many same sex cultures have survived out there again?

    Oh yeah, none. Nada, zero, zilch.
    Name a "same sex culture."

    Then tell me how legalizing same-sex marriage makes America a "same sex culture."

    And then explain how that will cause America to cease to exist.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  2. #602
    controlled chaos
    Gaugingcatenate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Formerly of the Southern USA, now permanently in the mountains of Panama
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,159

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What dream world are you living in?

    Most of the states that have legalized same sex marriage have the lowest divorce rates in the country. And they have a higher median age for first marriage, meaning people are marrying more responsibly (at older ages when they are actually able to maintain responsible relationships).

    Divorce Rates Lower in States with Same-Sex Marriage - US News

    Now, marriage rates have been steadily declining since long before the issue of same sex marriage came up, even before Mass. legalized it. But there is no significant difference in that drop between states that have legalized same sex marriage, including even Mass. and states that still have bans in place.

    And same sex couples have been raising children for generations and no parents raise children in a vacuum. Raising children also has very little to do with marriage but rather with stability of the relationship. Marriage helps the parents be more stable, despite their relative genders, and this in turn aids the children. But marriage itself is for the adults, not the children.
    I live in the real world, so just because you are dreaming, don't imagine that all the rest of us are asleep.

    Might you have lower divorce rates due to less people getting married? Hard to get divorced if you never married. And yes, the liberal agenda has been a constant assault on marriage, so SSM is only one of the many pronged attacks on marriage and American culture in general.

    Marriage is for adults, but mainly for adults in which to have a structure that legally protects families [children ]. We can argue this back and forth all day. I would hazard the hypothesis that if adult heterosexuals did not/could not have children, I would surmise that marriage would soon go out of style completely. Even with it, and the onslaught of liberal attack on it from all directions, it is in serious decline.
    "...But resist we much, we must and we will much, about that be committed..." --- the right Reverend Alfred Charles "Al" Shaprton, Jr.

  3. #603
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    29,054

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    No, you don't follow at all. Sorry, I cannot keep explaining all of life and every nuance of life to you. I was only explaining how race does not matter in marriage whereas gender does matter, that the arguments are not the same for each case and so using a same structured argument in the case of same sex does not hold any bearing on a race based case. And I am not here to re-argue every single case in every single state or federal court. Procreative abilities of opposite genders with one another are provable whereas the lack of same is provable in same sex couples. There is not a specific imperative to have children if one marries. However, one of the major reasons for marriage is to create strong family units for people who do procreate so that children are given some safeguards and should not simply be abandoned.

    Family stability has been under attack for a long time as well, you folks may well have destroyed the idea of it, and its demise is resulting in much unnecessary harm, with much of poverty issuing from single parent families.

    Stability of the institution of marriage and protection of children are sufficient state interests. No, we are not going to allow just anything and just anybody to get married. Sorry, there is no legitimate state interest in such.
    You tried to "explain" by using the issue of procreation, saying that an interracial couple could procreate with each other while a same sex couple cannot. You are trying to tie marriage to a positive procreative ability, which it legally isn't.

    Nothing about gender affects the actual legal requirements or issues within marriage. Legal marriage has nothing to do with the ability of those involved to have a child with each other. That is only your personal "requirement" of marriage. Meaningless to the actual legal marriage.

    You cannot show how allowing those of same sex to marry will in any way affect the stability of marriage or the protection of children. In fact, I can show that there is no correlation of those at all. Your arguments fail. Unless you want to show some actual proof or evidence of what you are trying to assert, not simply making the assertion.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  4. #604
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,835

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)I live in the real world
    2.) so just because you are dreaming, don't imagine that all the rest of us are asleep.
    3.)Might you have lower divorce rates due to less people getting married? Hard to get divorced if you never married.
    4.)And yes, the liberal agenda has been a constant assault on marriage, so SSM is only one of the many pronged attacks on marriage and American culture in general.
    5.)Marriage is for adults
    6 .), but mainly for adults in which to have a structure that legally protects families [children ].
    7.)We can argue this back and forth all day.
    8.)I would hazard the hypothesis that if adult heterosexuals did not/could not have children, I would surmise that marriage would soon go out of style completely. Even with it, and the onslaught of liberal attack on it from all directions, it is in serious decline.
    1.) but yet you ignore facts
    2.) who is us? there is nobody honest, educated and objective on your side. Those are the people that have destroyed your posts.
    3.) divorce is meaningless to equal rights
    4.) as soon as one says liberal, conservative, right, left etc agenda the argument most times is over lol
    5.) correct accept some states grant waivers
    6.) this is just your OPINION and has nothing to do with law but the best part is gay marriage does what you require
    7.) you havent presented a sound argument yet, Its just you posting lies, misinformation and throwing spaghetti at the wall while everyone else destories it.
    8.)more meaningless opinion that has no impact on legal marriage or equal rights

    your post fails again
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  5. #605
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    9,125

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Prove the harm of me marrying a tree. I, and many on my side, think it is absolutely insane that people of the same gender need marry one another... and was unthinkable not that long ago... just shows how the left can make insanity mask for sanity...just that quick.
    I think I see the problem you don't see that letting a gay couple marry who can do anything we would ask of a hetero sexual couple to do or be able to do in a marriage is sane

    so you cant tell the difference between

    letting 2 consenting adults marry regardless of gender and marriage to tress who are not people and can not enter into a contract

    your in this state of mind where if peel want to do something you think of as bad then they must allow anything you don't like just because

    but that ignores the reasons why people demand gay marriage and why it would be made legal

  6. #606
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    29,054

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I live in the real world, so just because you are dreaming, don't imagine that all the rest of us are asleep.

    Might you have lower divorce rates due to less people getting married? Hard to get divorced if you never married. And yes, the liberal agenda has been a constant assault on marriage, so SSM is only one of the many pronged attacks on marriage and American culture in general.

    Marriage is for adults, but mainly for adults in which to have a structure that legally protects families [children ]. We can argue this back and forth all day. I would hazard the hypothesis that if adult heterosexuals did not/could not have children, I would surmise that marriage would soon go out of style completely. Even with it, and the onslaught of liberal attack on it from all directions, it is in serious decline.
    I pointed out how marriage rates are not affected by whether or not same sex couples are allowed to marry. Here's the proof.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/mar...0_95_99-11.pdf

    Marriage rates in every state have been decreasing. Has nothing to do with whether same sex couples are allowed to marry.

    Marriage is for adults to be protected from each other and from other adults. It has little to do directly with children. Children benefit because those protections put their parents in a better position of security.

    If no one could have children, then there would be no need for marriage (although there would likely be few to actually get divorced if they were married) because we would be living in basically a "Children of Men" situation.

    20+% of married people do not have children, many of those are childless by choice. Many others simply cannot procreate. People don't tend to automatically get divorced just because they cannot have children. Some choose other options (like same sex couples), while others simply are fine with being childless.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  7. #607
    controlled chaos
    Gaugingcatenate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Formerly of the Southern USA, now permanently in the mountains of Panama
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    8,159

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    LMAO!! You really think we are on the wrong side of this issue? Remove the blinders.

    Polling Tracks Growing and Increasingly Diverse Support for the Freedom to Marry | Freedom to Marry

    Gay Marriage | Pew Research Center

    "The public has gradually become more supportive of granting legal recognition to same-sex marriages over the past 15 years, with support increasing more steeply in recent years. Currently, 50% favor same-sex marriage, while 43% oppose."

    And that is from last year. It has only increased since then. Our side won the last 4 votes (by the people) on this issue.
    Good lord girl, you think I would be arguing with you if I DID NOT THINK YOU WERE ON THE WRONG SIDE. And just because you are gaining support, how would this argument fly if you were the parent, "Hey mom, there seems to be growing support for heroin use, you can see it in the numbers... so its okay for me to use it, right mom?" I mean, how silly can one be and expect others to value the opinion.

    Consensus does not make one right. If you think so, nobody would be on your side of the SSM debate now as it would have already been "decided" years, centuries, millenniums ago.

    Wow.
    "...But resist we much, we must and we will much, about that be committed..." --- the right Reverend Alfred Charles "Al" Shaprton, Jr.

  8. #608
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    29,054

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Good lord girl, you think I would be arguing with you if I DID NOT THINK YOU WERE ON THE WRONG SIDE. And just because you are gainging support, how would this argument fly if you were the parent, "Hey mom, there seems to be growing support for herioine use, you can see it in the numbers... so its okay for me to use it, right mom?" I mean, how silly can one be and expect others to value your opinion.

    Consensus does not make one right. If you think so, nobody would be on your side of the SSM debate now as it would have already been "decided" years, centuries, millenniums ago.

    Wow.
    We are gaining support and we have the arguments that involve actual values established by the US Constitution, equal protection, fair treatment, individual rights, etc. You have nothing except attempting to maintain a faulty belief about homosexuality/same sex couples, discriminating against them without any legitimate legal reason for doing so, but rather simply because you don't like/approve of them being married.

    The irony of your post here is that you were earlier arguing that you were in the majority.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  9. #609
    I'm kind of a big deal

    AGENT J's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Pittsburgh
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    44,835

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Good lord girl, you think I would be arguing with you if I DID NOT THINK YOU WERE ON THE WRONG SIDE. And just because you are gaining support, how would this argument fly if you were the parent, "Hey mom, there seems to be growing support for heroin use, you can see it in the numbers... so its okay for me to use it, right mom?" I mean, how silly can one be and expect others to value the opinion.

    Consensus does not make one right. If you think so, nobody would be on your side of the SSM debate now as it would have already been "decided" years, centuries, millenniums ago.

    Wow.
    translation: you still have nothing and can only offer more failed deflections
    This space is currently owned by The Great Winchester, stay tuned for future messages!
    Make America Great Again!
    Pro-Equal Rights / Pro-Gun Rights / Pro-Human Rights / Pro-Choice

  10. #610
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    9,125

    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Hardly the same... if a majority race or minority race person inseminates a majority or minority person of the opposite sex, there might result a pregnancy, a continuance of the race of humanity... if the same were to occur in that situation with the same sex couple, it will never result in a pregnancy... so perhaps you may see how different the situation is actually is? One is within the laws of nature, the other is outside, deviant and therefore the same rules do not apply in the unnatural situation. You can try to fit the outsized square peg into the appropriate round hole, but it neither fits nor works.

    Society is not mandated, required to force the square peg through the round hole just to momentarily coincide with your current sensibilities.

    By the way, what makes it okay for you to discriminate against my viewpoint, have it excluded? If my side becomes the minority, we then get our way, right?
    we don't require people to have kids or to be able to have kids so yes your using the exact same argument as racists did you wont allow people who meet every requirement for a marriage marry one another and you pretend that's fair because they can marry who you would like them to and not who they want to just like with mixed race marriages

    marriage is not natural being gay or being hetero sexual is so your still treating people in the same relevant circumstances differently for no reason and again you mirror racists I mean races lived apart it not natural to combine them that kind of lie

    your viewpoint is only discriminated against because your reasoning is terrible and leads to an injustice that's why its in decline

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •