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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are once again showing your inability to understand how the Constitution and constitutional law works. Learn that, then get back to us.
    Nah, thanks anyhow. You want me to understand how YOU WANT IT TO WORK... its being subverted, its being used in ways never intended and yet you want me to get back to you? What a joke.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Equal protection means being able to have access to the same sort of contracts others do without regard to protected characteristics, such as race, religion, and even sex/gender.
    I understand that is YOUR interpretation.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Nah, thanks anyhow. You want me to understand how YOU WANT IT TO WORK... its being subverted, its being used in ways never intended and yet you want me to get back to you? What a joke.
    It is how it works now. Don't like it, tough. It isn't going to change after at least a century of working that way, especially not when a majority believes it needs to work that way to protect us all.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I understand that is YOUR interpretation.
    And the interpretation of that of the majority, including the SCOTUS. If we're wrong, oh well, we have the power to back up the decisions since the majority likes the 14th to protect all those characteristics in regards to equal protection, even if they don't like it for every specific situation.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Oh I understand what you want Constitutional law to do, how you will use your methods to subvert its intent and subvert the masters, us.

    What is obvious is that this is what lawyers have turned their views of constitutional law into, a jumble that can only, oh wonder of wonders, be understood and sorted out by lawyers. Lord save us all.

    The true principles are as set forth and understood by the founders: We the people are sovereign and we ONLY GIVE OUR CONSENT TO BE GOVERNED. WE HOLD THE ULTIMATE POWER. If you don't understand and believe that, I feel sorry for you and for the trouble you folks are going to start, the misery you will inflict upon us all by not understanding the Federal government's limits. This was easily enough understood from the beginning, why can you not understand it now?
    And one who knows the constitution knows that the Ulimate power held by the people is the amendment process. The amendment process over-rides all laws and all Supreme Court rulings. It is the ultimate democracy.

    If you and like minded Americans wish to block SSM, all you have to do is propose and pass a constitutional amendment making marriage between One Male Human Being and One Female Human Being...and you and like minded Americans have exercised the ultimate democratic power.


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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I understand that is YOUR interpretation.
    as many court cases show thats the LAW's interpretation and how equal rights works
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Nah, thanks anyhow. You want me to understand how YOU WANT IT TO WORK... its being subverted, its being used in ways never intended and yet you want me to get back to you? What a joke.
    proof?
    link?
    facts?

    your post fails again, why dont you simply support you claim instead of just saying "nu-huh" everybody else is wrong.

    teach us all a lesson, prove us and the law and the courts etc all wrong


    we cant wait to read it
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So now you are trying to use the extremely flawed logic that procreation is connected to marriage or the right to marriage. It isn't. Procreative ability has nothing to do with a couple's right to marry. In fact, there are 5 states that limit a person's ability to marry based on their inability to procreate in a way that is completely opposite of your assertion. If first cousins want to marry in states like Utah or Arizona, then they must be above a certain age or prove that they cannot procreate with each other. There goes that assertion. We won't even get into the fact that inability to procreate is never considered when it comes to two people of the opposite sex trying to marry even when one of them knows that they cannot procreate. (And a woman who does not have a uterus and/or ovaries cannot get pregnant, no matter how much she tries.)

    And this has nothing to do with majority/minority status, but rather everything to do with whether someone is being treated differently under a law and whether or not the state can show that this difference in treatment is necessary to further a state interest. You would have no standing since there is no way that you could show that a law treated you differently once everyone is allowed to marry someone of the same sex.
    No, you don't follow at all. Sorry, I cannot keep explaining all of life and every nuance of life to you. I was only explaining how race does not matter in marriage whereas gender does matter, that the arguments are not the same for each case and so using a same structured argument in the case of same sex does not hold any bearing on a race based case. And I am not here to re-argue every single case in every single state or federal court. Procreative abilities of opposite genders with one another are provable whereas the lack of same is provable in same sex couples. There is not a specific imperative to have children if one marries. However, one of the major reasons for marriage is to create strong family units for people who do procreate so that children are given some safeguards and should not simply be abandoned.

    Family stability has been under attack for a long time as well, you folks may well have destroyed the idea of it, and its demise is resulting in much unnecessary harm, with much of poverty issuing from single parent families.

    Stability of the institution of marriage and protection of children are sufficient state interests. No, we are not going to allow just anything and just anybody to get married. Sorry, there is no legitimate state interest in such.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)No, you don't follow at all. Sorry, I cannot keep explaining all of life and every nuance of life to you. I was only explaining how race does not matter in marriage whereas gender does matter
    2.) that the arguments are not the same for each case and so using a same structured argument in the case of same sex does not hold any bearing on a race based case.
    3.)And I am not here to re-argue every single case in every single state or federal court.
    4.) Procreative abilities of opposite genders with one another are provable whereas the lack of same is provable in same sex couples.
    5.)There is not a specific imperative to have children if one marries.
    6.) However, one of the major reasons for marriage is to create strong family units for people who do procreate so that children are given some safeguards and should not simply be abandoned.
    7.)Family stability has been under attack for a long time as well, you folks may well have destroyed the idea of it, and its demise is resulting in much unnecessary harm, with much of poverty issuing from single parent families.
    8.)Stability of the institution of marriage and protection of children are sufficient state interests.
    9.) No, we are not going to allow anything and anybody to get married.
    10.)Sorry, there is no legitimate state interest in such.
    1.) you keep saying this with ZERO to back it up
    2.) yes they are civil, legal and equal rights. Same lol
    3.) you CANT do this anyway, your opinion of them is meaningless
    4.) procreative abilities are 100% meaningless to legal marriage
    5.) correct
    6.) which again is meaningless to equal marriage and gay marriage still creates family anyway lol
    7.) more meaningless opinions that have no impact on equal rights or legal marriage
    8.) neither which are endangered by equal rights
    9.) agree the LAW and RIGHTS doesnt allow that already so this strawman also fails
    10.) seen #9

    your post fails again

    all we are looking for is ONE accurate and factual thing that supports your views . . . ONE
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post

    You have yet to show the harm that a man or woman marrying a tree would inflict... so you don't have a legitimate leg to stand on, legally speaking.

    Who cares about all that, you cannot show harm, can you? What is the legitimate state interest in excluding these forms of marriage? Hoist on your own petard.

    Besides which laws apply to all sorts of inanimate things... cars, guns, water, energy, light bulbs, animals, air...and of course to trees. I mean how silly is that notion that laws only apply to humans?

    How about I make the same sort of "silly" stipulation, when same sex couples can procreate among just the two, then we can talk.
    The equal protection clause only applies to humans. Therefore there is no "state interest" test for a tree. Stop being ridiculous.
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