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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The 9th and 10th support me. The rights belong to the individual citizens and the states and the states have been limited by the 14th in favor of the individual's rights.

    I provided you the information needed. You refuse to accept it. You refuse to learn how the laws of the US and the Constitution, or even the SCOTUS works.
    The 14th does not in any way obviate the 9th and 10th by the way.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yeah, based on that, just how screwed up and far are you folks on the left gonna take these things...? Showing your hand now... this is getting to the point of circus level bizzarly absurd.

    See what 40 years of an onslaught against reason has done? Made a total muddle and waste of otherwise good brains, brains that should be striving towards uplifting America, not taking us down.
    40 years from now you and those like you will appear the same as those who were against interracial marriages in the 1960s.

    The intelligent people of this country support same sex marriage in large percentages. In fact, there is a correlation to be made between intelligence level and support of same sex marriage, as well as education level and support for same sex marriage. We know what will come of same sex marriage being legal, people being treated better no matter what sex/gender of person they wish to be married to.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    The 14th does not in any way obviate the 9th and 10th by the way.
    The 14th limits the ability of the states to make laws that would not be allowed by the Constitution if the federal government were making those laws. In other words, it limits the states to the US Constitution, making the US Constitution more legally significant than the individual state constitutions and state laws.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Thanks for the attempt at "educating" me on life, but been around a bit longer than you and have seen more of it, studied more of it than you. I am sure there are plenty of liberals who, on this issue, do not agree with SSM. Hell, I know gay people who are not for it. So, whats your point?
    So what if you have been around longer. That in no way makes you better, wiser, more educated, or even more experienced on this or any other issue than me. It simply makes you older.

    And there are many more conservatives/Republicans that support same sex marriage than there are liberals/Dems or even Independents that oppose it.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    The 14th does not in any way obviate the 9th and 10th by the way.
    who says it does, that post still stands and you have done NOTHING to change that lol
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Again, look into how constitutional law works. This is an equal protection issue. The way that it works is that when a law is challenged, and a group/individual is recognized as not being treated equally by the law (as is the case here), then the state must show that the law furthers a legitimate state interest.
    Oh I understand what you want Constitutional law to do, how you will use your methods to subvert its intent and subvert the masters, us.

    What is obvious is that this is what lawyers have turned their views of constitutional law into, a jumble that can only, oh wonder of wonders, be understood and sorted out by lawyers. Lord save us all.

    The true principles are as set forth and understood by the founders: We the people are sovereign and we ONLY GIVE OUR CONSENT TO BE GOVERNED. WE HOLD THE ULTIMATE POWER. If you don't understand and believe that, I feel sorry for you and for the trouble you folks are going to start, the misery you will inflict upon us all by not understanding the Federal government's limits. This was easily enough understood from the beginning, why can you not understand it now?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No.

    A screen door on a submarine is harm you can specifically identify before implementation.
    You have not identified any harm caused by same-sex marriage before "implementation," nor have you identified any harm in the ten years of data you have so far.

    I have ten years of data on my side. You have zero. What arbitrary amount of data do you need before you concede that same-sex marriage causes no harm? 20? 30? 50? 10,000?
    We have about 10 thousand years of data... how many same sex cultures have survived out there again?

    Oh yeah, none. Nada, zero, zilch.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Oh I understand what you want Constitutional law to do, how you will use your methods to subvert its intent and subvert the masters, us.

    What is obvious is that this is what lawyers have turned their views of constitutional law into, a jumble that can only, oh wonder of wonders, be understood and sorted out by lawyers. Lord save us all.

    The true principles are as set forth and understood by the founders: We the people are sovereign and we ONLY GIVE OUR CONSENT TO BE GOVERNED. WE HOLD THE ULTIMATE POWER. If you don't understand and believe that, I feel sorry for you and for the trouble you folks are going to start, the misery you will inflict upon us all by not understanding the Federal government's limits. This was easily enough understood from the beginning, why can you not understand it now?
    The true principles of this country are freedom and justice for all, not just those in a majority at a given, single point in history. We were never meant to be a direct democracy or even a representative democracy, that is why we have a Constitution, to protect rights, including those that are not favored by the majority.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We have about 10 thousand years of data... how many same sex cultures have survived out there again?

    Oh yeah, none. Nada, zero, zilch.
    so whats your data of harm please present it now, we are waiting

    who wants to take bets this is dodged AGAIN
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We have about 10 thousand years of data... how many same sex cultures have survived out there again?

    Oh yeah, none. Nada, zero, zilch.
    Wrong. You have nothing. There have never been solely same sex or solely opposite sex cultures. Every culture in history has had same sex couples.

    Of course, no culture in history has survived that is not around today period and many of the oldest are either free and embracing same sex marriage or they are oppressive to their people in the first place.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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