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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are wrong. Just as people very rarely change their mind back to thinking interracial marriages are wrong just because they become adults, so it goes with this issue. I am an adult myself, mid-thirties in fact. I've held the same beliefs on this issue since as long as I can remember (including arguing it in high school in the 90s). Even my Catholic mother is for same sex marriage, along with the majority of adults in my family.

    The trends we have prove that everything I stated in the post you quoted me.

    As for the last comments, there is much more strength to fight for others to be treated equally and change unfair laws then to try to keep laws in place that are only there for your personal beliefs.
    Yes, proving that there is always a way to justify silliness and silliness, once becoming popular, can lead all astray... the Pied Pipers of new liberalism doing their destructive best here as they have done elsewhere.

    Lord help us all [ and I am not even a religious being ] overcome this infectious idiocy that afflicts entire peoples and brings so much misery and destruction.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Constitution does not list a lot of things that we still have rights to.

    You have no clue on constitutional law and how our laws work at all. That is obvious by your comments. I have actual law experts who can back up my assertions about the laws. Until you can show me where being a person who owes child support (Zablocki v Redhail) is a protected class (specifically mentioned in the Constitution), then you fail.
    Look at the 9th and 10th amendments, savor them as they delineate the proper lineage of just who has ownership of those rights/powers not listed in the Constitution and who gets to make those decisions.

    YOU, on the contrary, have absolutely no idea of the history nor the foundation of thought underlying OUR Constitution. Don't try to tell me you are an authority on what it is and what should be... you are solely using the Constitution as a bludgeoning tool against us... and sorry, WE do not have to take it.

    You have actual what? You have "actual law experts"? Are they on a retainer... or are you just paying them on a piecemeal basis as you answer each of my posts? What a CHUCKLE you have brought me.

    Sorry again, you do not get to issue the terms of the debate in some side-tracked issue of child support. You specifically said there were protected classes in the Constitution, I have asked you name those classes and to support that erroneous statement with evidence... you have failed to provide such. So we must assume that you were WRONG. I will go beyond the assumption and FLAT OUT STATE YOU WERE/ARE WRONG.

    If you are THAT WRONG on this simple Constitutional question requiring minimal knowledge of this fairly short document... how are we to be confident in ANYTHING further you have to say on the matter?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yes, proving that there is always a way to justify silliness and silliness, once becoming popular, can lead all astray... the Pied Pipers of new liberalism doing their destructive best here as they have done elsewhere.

    Lord help us all [ and I am not even a religious being ] overcome this infectious idiocy that afflicts entire peoples and brings so much misery and destruction.
    you think gay marriage means we have to let people marry kids and light posts and you lecture on silliness and idiocy?

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It affects others. And it could potentially affect me in the future. You have no right to tell me that I cannot marry a woman just because you don't want me to marry a woman.

    The rest of those things you mention I've already addressed. They must fight their own battles. I invite them to. They will still come down to the state's interest. That would be an argument for the state to make and they've been making it quite well. Can a 7 year old legally sign a contract? Can a horse legally sign a contract? The others are more complicated but still have state interests that the state is able to articulate when challenged (whether the courts view those interests as good enough is for a future challenge). Still has nothing to do with the fact that there is no legitimate state interest in not allowing a woman to marry a woman or a man to marry another man.
    No I individually don't, but our society can make such judgements if we so please.

    You haven't answered much of anything on the matter. You cannot show how we would stop anything based on this foolish premise, this one size fits all device, this artless and rudimentary tool upon which you and selfish others are using to accomplish something simply unnecessary and potentially extremely harmful to the rest of society.

    There is no legitimate interest in having to prove legitimate interest in silly, yet consequential and potentially very detrimental, cases.

    PERIOD.

    Sorry, nobody is stopping you from marrying who/what you want in your own mind. Just do not expect state sanction.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The law doesn't care about your beliefs or how society feels about certain things unless you are able to get enough people to deny them constitutionally unequal protection. Until that time, the 14th Amendment and the Equal Protection of everyone enshrined within stands.
    Yeah yeah yeah... same thing can be said in return. Who said anything about undermining the 14 and equal protection... equal protection does not necessarily grant equality of all, and of everything, by the way. Nor should it.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Complain all you want, that is how our SCOTUS works.

    Levels of Scrutiny Under the Equal Protection Clause



    History of Equal Protection and the Levels of Review

    Breakdown in the levels of scrutiny. - Free Online Library

    You don't like the way our legal system and constitutional review works, tough. Attempt to change it. I doubt that will go far because most people either don't care or like it the way it is because it protects all of us.
    Show me where the concept of strict scrutiny is in the Constitution...or say, where in the Constitution is there the concept of interstate migration? Or gender, except maybe with the 19 amendment? I will await, perhaps eternity, for you to answer this question with examples from our Constitution.

    This is silliness amplified.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We have. Or do you really believe that this issue just started in the last decade? This issue has existed for quite some time.
    Are you following what was being stated? We are talking about those who have been exposed to idea and new reality of SSM actually existing [ not the theory but the practice ] and how it fares with those now being shielded and propagandized from its purposes and effects, in the future and in real time.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yeah nothing screams "stable, traditional" like my uncle's 5th marriage or Britney's 24hr "just for fun" marriage

    You heteros have already done everything possible to ruin marriage on your own. Blaming the gays only makes ya'll seem like abusive neglectful husbands....which undoubtedly many complaining the loudest are.
    Yes, just another way that liberal ideas have placed another straw on the cultural camels back... so hey, got another load of manure covered straws you want to heap up there, dontcha, just dontcha...

    One is forced to wonder just how puerile a statement can one make before it devolves to simply... goo goo, goo goo?

    Who is blaming solely the gays? I am blaming the ideology which supports this and any other method to eat away at the stability of marriage and American traditional values.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yeah yeah yeah... same thing can be said in return. Who said anything about undermining the 14 and equal protection... equal protection does not necessarily grant equality of all, and of everything, by the way. Nor should it.
    it should in this case 2 people are being denied the ability to enter into a contract with one another on the basis of gender alone and gender is not relevant to the contract

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doesn't matter when people started waking up to this issue and started supporting it in major numbers. What matters is that the trend clearly shows that as soon as people realized the issue itself and realized that others are being treated unfairly under the law for nothing more than personal beliefs about homosexuality, they started realizing the laws are wrong. Many still in fact believe personally that being homosexual or having same sex relationships is a sin, but they also feel that their beliefs have no place in our laws.
    Wrong, but hey, everyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter its merits or lack thereof... the rest of us do not have to be stupid enough to believe them, however.
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