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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    So wrong, wow, lol...

    And truly, if you don't like my posts [yet you seem addicted ] just ignore them, most assuredly will not hurt my feelings...but to be so asinine as to attempt to tell me what I should do, well, shows a level of maturity that is probably a bit less than sufficient, would you not agree? If its getting to you that much that you cannot win, that you are just not that convincing, or persuasive, give it a rest.

    I certainly understand you have the harder task, an uphill battle, being on the wrong side of the issue and having to defend it.
    You completely ignored that he answered the question....that not allowing SSM does affect him...it DENIES him the same privileges and protections of marriage by not allowing him to marry a man. So the ban DOES affect him...and millions of other Americans.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Ahh, very nice, however inadequate, prestidigitational attempt at slipping in something that seemingly makes your case, but something I did not ask for. Remember? What I asked was you to provide proof of your claim, what you incorrectly misstated that you said I said.

    You said, Now, I ask again, please go back and provide me with the instance in which I argued that... you cannot, it does not exist, I never made the claim you said I did. Then you tried to make it seem like I had denied the 14th amendment. Busted. One major Naughty compounded by another Naughty.

    Both at best disingenuous.

    Nice, smarmy post. I am quite familiar with our Constitution, obviously a bit more than yourself... Proof of an instance of proven awareness, you ask perhaps? I quoted that very same passage of the 14th myself, much earlier in the thread...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063065356

    Let me know if you ever really want to, you know, actually debate something.
    Cool. We are on the same page. My 14th amendment right to equal protection under the laws should not be up for a popular vote. Given that Supreme Court precedent in Loving v. Virginia found under the 14th amendment that a state had to demonstrate how a legitimate state interest is advanced before it could regulate marriage in a way that would violate my right to equal protection under the law, I look forward to hearing your argument as to what state interest is advanced.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Nothing good ever comes out of ohio i swear....Yet this appeal may result in scotus taking the case so that even shanties in alabama will be forced to allow gay weddings.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Gays dont want 'carte blanche,' they want the same thing that straight couples have.

    Is marriage ridiculous for straight people? If no, then it's not ridiculous for gays. Also, there are not great changes to infrastructure or society to make this happen....gays already reproduce, have families, participate in society, etc. in the same ways that straight couples do.

    There is **no real change**....only legal accommodations that are FAIR....EQUAL.
    That is what YOU say... did they make you their spokesperson? I went through the we just want tolerance days.

    Marriage is becoming a joke due to liberal policies... marriage has its valid reasons. Society gets to make its choices and no, not everybody just deserves whatever it is they decide to want. You can cry, stamp your feet, whatever you care to do all you want, doesn't make it right.

    And if there is NO REAL change, then there is NO REAL reason to change society, to entirely refit its institutions to accommodate the whims of a small minority.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You cannot seriously see that this entire 'argument' (and I use that term loosely)....applied to interracial marriage in its time?

    Word for word.
    Read the thread and previous responses to this question, please. Skin color and gender are not the same argument, no matter how you massage and tweak it.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    ROFLMAO...are you basing your assessment of Americans more and more accepting SSM on that it's younger people supporting it?

    Ha ha ha ha. Not around here. Many people over 50, even 40, remember the civil rights movement and the fight for women's rights in the 70's. We are on the side of equality for gays too.
    Yes, some folks never ever even come close to growing up, no matter their age. A lot of us have been for civil rights, women's rights [ within reason, the radicals there often push it a bit too far as well ]...

    Your side has its supporters, those of us for maintaining a stable society have ours...
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You have yet to show how it 'matters' at all. You have offered no harm at all... to you or marriage.

    You dont like it....that's it so far.
    That is your false premise that I have to show harm. Who do we go to if, say in 20 years, we can document the harm that has already been done? What do you pledge to fix what you have wrought upon the rest of us? What would be your remedy then? All liberals folks supporting SSM immediately leave the country they have, perhaps irreparably, damaged...leaving all their possessions in payment for the harm they have inflicted upon the rest of our society?

    No, you will go merrily along finding other ways to create crevices from tiny cracks singing la la la la la when people warn of the dangers.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This issue was not invented last week.
    Actual states allowance for this travesty is a rather recent occurence... or hadn't you noticed. It was BJ Clinton, democrat and liberal, that signed both DADT and DOMA, correct? What was the boob's position [ I know, I know, that could be either Barack or Joe ] on SSM in 2008...2009...2010...ummm 2011?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? Children are ALREADY being raised by same sex couples in all 50 states. The question is not whether or not same sex couples can raise children, but whether or not the kids will have better family stability if their parents are allowed to marry. What right do you have to deprive children raised by same sex couples the family stabilizing benefits of marriage?



    Every state has the right to govern marriage as it sees fit, provided it does not violate the Constitutional rights of citizens. All the cases you mentioned were fair means by which the people could govern marriage and should, but bans against same sex marriage advance no legitimate state interest and infringe on the Constitutional rights of same sex couples. Your weak attempt to go down the slippery slope is logically fallacious because of the obvious fact that same sex couples are not the SAME as pedophiles, zoophiles, and polygamists. There are distinct differences which you deliberately choose to ignore in order to make the argument sound sensible in your own mind.



    Wrong. No single judge in this land has any such power. At best it will go before a state judge, and then a state appeals court, and then a state Supreme Court, and then a federal court, and then a federal appeals court, and then the Supreme Court. It will be argued over and over and over again before dozens of judges before it gets anywhere near a final decision. Once again, go learn about Due Process. It is one of your Constitutional rights, so I would think you would know something of it.
    One cannot retrieve already spilled milk. There will always be the outliers in any system, we do not have to encourage that, promote that... and we have no imperative to do so. You do not solve a problem by compounding it.

    You ignore the premise...on purpose no doubt, in and effort to make your feeble argument appear stronger. It is not equating gays to pedos, et al, it is because we have no reason to tear down the strong edifice of the institution of traditional marriage, open the floodgates in which the once solid institution will then be trampled further upon by these others to which we also have no desire to allow marriage. Capiche now, do ya?

    When the door has been opened in an effort to make justifiable allowances for past inequities... it is not then to be shoved, pushed further open to allow anybody and everybody, those not justifiable to go through that same door. Sorry, if the law allows/promotes that, it needs fixed. The legitimate state interest test is a farce... almost anything, especially with a further degrading of standards in our society, could eventually pass that test.

    So? No single judge is not the premise. You have liberal termites gnawing away at our foundations and one termite judge finally does break through, and then you have precedent, which is hard, almost impossible if we listen to your side on such things, to walk that back. Ha ha ha....see You need to read OUR history, get a better handle on how such slippage occurs, how the damage is then solidified so more and more damage can be done.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You have yet to show how it 'matters' at all. You have offered no harm at all... to you or marriage.

    You dont like it....that's it so far.
    And you do like it, so?
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