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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    It affects all of us [there are a heck of a lot more of us heteros ], it affects me [ cannot help this sinking feeling about America, the ill-omened paths it is being directed down ]. So, there absolutely is no tie, besides this isn't baseball, we aren't base running. The burden is not on the side that is content with the way things are... it is on you, those who want the change things, those who will benefit.

    There are a million paper cuts, assaults on American culture and the American spirit, that are destroying what was once a strong and proud country... the injury with SSM is one of the larger, this being a deep cut, the wound directly to the strength of America, its traditional family stability, slicing constantly deeper. We know this is not where it will stop... this is but the cliff where the cascading will begin. You tell me, using the 14th after this, what will be a good reason to stop anybody from marrying just about anybody or anything? Give me a logic end point to that...

    Then, when what was strong all collapses from the weaknesses inflicted by all these constant assaults of failed liberal ideology, where then does one go to seek OUR remedy... from you, perhaps? No. All will be equally lost just because We could never say no to anything.

    Looking back we should have never compromised, never said we would tolerate such conduct in the first place... our toleration has not been met with any appreciation, much less reciprocal toleration, just the desire for more and more and then more...

    Waaah wah wah...Quit with the crocodile tears. You are not hurt by SSM not being accepted, loves are in no way discontinued just because two are unable to marry in the eyes of the law... many heteros in fact prefer it that way. So lets get over the idea of grievous injury, its silly and overly maudlin. Have your own ceremony if desired, live together, do as you please just don't ask the rest of us to accept, to be forced to accept, that which we loathe to even think very much about in any detail.

    Sorry, saying its normal just does not make it so... will not make it all better and we cannot be just forced into accepting something we do not accept. Case closed.
    No, same sex marriage does not legitimately affect you. And I am heterosexual. I support same sex marriage. The majority of the supporters of same sex marriage are heterosexuals.

    And the burden is always on the state to show a legitimate state interest is furthered whenever a person can show that the law treats them differently than someone else. The law treats men and women differently based on their gender/sex. A man cannot marry a man, but a woman can. A woman cannot marry a woman, but a man can. Why? Because of their gender/sex.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Just where is this gender discrimination? All genders have the same rights, all, if they want to marry, have to marry one of the opposite sex... that is equal for all genders. What do you not get about that?
    A man can marry a woman but a woman cannot marry a woman. That is gender discrimination. A person cannot do something another can based solely on their gender. The same as it would be religious discrimination if the law said a Catholic can marry a Catholic but a Methodist cannot marry a Catholic. A person cannot do something another person can based solely on their religion.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Let's flip the logic over to a different legal contract: an employment contract.

    I want to make a law saying you can only work for someone of the opposite gender. Everyone will have the equal right to work for someone of the opposite gender. Constitutional, right?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A man can marry a woman but a woman cannot marry a woman. That is gender discrimination. A person cannot do something another can based solely on their gender. The same as it would be religious discrimination if the law said a Catholic can marry a Catholic but a Methodist cannot marry a Catholic. A person cannot do something another person can based solely on their religion.
    I often wonder just where "the state" got the authority to sanction marriage in the first place. But, I'll tell you a little story, My wife and I celebrated our 25th last summer with friends and family. When we were first married, we went to the Catholic priest to get married in the church. As this was my 2nd marriage, and the first was to a Lutheran woman, and done in a Lutheran church. The Catholic priest would not marry us. We ended up getting married by a JoP at the court house, and this is one of the reasons that I, or my wife have not been "Catholic's" since, even though both of us were raised Catholic.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I often wonder just where "the state" got the authority to sanction marriage in the first place. But, I'll tell you a little story, My wife and I celebrated our 25th last summer with friends and family. When we were first married, we went to the Catholic priest to get married in the church. As this was my 2nd marriage, and the first was to a Lutheran woman, and done in a Lutheran church. The Catholic priest would not marry us. We ended up getting married by a JoP at the court house, and this is one of the reasons that I, or my wife have not been "Catholic's" since, even though both of us were raised Catholic.
    Any number of legal proceedings need a way to recognize kinship.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Any number of legal proceedings need a way to recognize kinship.
    IOW, it's a revenue grab.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    IOW, it's a revenue grab.

    Spouses can transfer property between each other without tax, spouses can inheret without taxes, spouses can sell the principal residence after the death of their spouse and still claim the $500,000 married exemption on profit of the sale (vice the single exemption of $250,000), etc, etc.

    In many cases legal recognition allows the family to keep MORE of their own money instead of having the government claim it.



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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Spouses can transfer property between each other without tax, spouses can inheret without taxes, spouses can sell the principal residence after the death of their spouse and still claim the $500,000 married exemption on profit of the sale (vice the single exemption of $250,000), etc, etc.

    In many cases legal recognition allows the family to keep MORE of their own money instead of having the government claim it.



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    Because progressive taxation promotes the idea that the money you earned is not really yours, and the need for all these exemptions therefore are needed to complicate the lives of families is a travesty....Taxes should be simple. Everyone owes a percentage, buy a stamp, and send it in.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Don't know if you have taken the time to observe this but

    Race and gender are dissimilar, not the exact same, just as the decisions are dissimilar. So your exactness argument relies upon a complete misunderstanding of the differences between race and gender.

    Re: gender not mattering---- That is your opinion and you are surely welcome to harbor it. I certainly cannot seem to disabuse you of such false notions.

    You truly know very very very little about me and my circumstances... so while all people can have their own opinions about such, you can apply the rule about everybody having opinions here. So to speak of what is beneficial or not to me, when you haven't the first clue, well...
    and...We are not guaranteed outcomes, blarg, equality under the law, however we chose ultimately to construe that, will be our destiny or our fate. Not everybody is going to be happy with the outcome, and the fight will no doubt continue.

    As for the last of your facile attempts, see above.
    The only difference it makes that race and gender are different is in what kind of interest a state has to show is being furthered and/or how that trait is related to that interest. It doesn't change that they are both protected against unequal protection of the laws/unequal treatment.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I often wonder just where "the state" got the authority to sanction marriage in the first place. But, I'll tell you a little story, My wife and I celebrated our 25th last summer with friends and family. When we were first married, we went to the Catholic priest to get married in the church. As this was my 2nd marriage, and the first was to a Lutheran woman, and done in a Lutheran church. The Catholic priest would not marry us. We ended up getting married by a JoP at the court house, and this is one of the reasons that I, or my wife have not been "Catholic's" since, even though both of us were raised Catholic.
    People want the state to be involved in marriage. You can complain all you want about it, but the state recognizes legal relationships and they do that by having forms to show that people really are legally related. Some of those forms are birth certificates, some are adoption records, some are simply court rulings, and some are marriage licenses.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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