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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why does a state sanction of someone else's marriage affect you? If you can't answer that question, there's nothing left to discuss.

    When did you hear such promises? Was it interracial marriage?
    Again, I just answered that, sorry, slow typer and a lot of posts to reply to today....


    NooooOOOOooooo... I am not the one erroneously trying to couple majority hetros civil rights with majority gay SSM topics.

    As regards the promises...That was what was asked of all of us out here, the straight community 20-30 years ago... just leave us alone, we are not hurting anyone, we are just asking for your tolerance. Which we, overall, gave. Now we see that it was not just tolerance that was the end game... or at least the end of that segment of over the top unpalatable new liberalism... you see what we are now arguing.

    Now you can argue that those were different times, those might have been the promises then... well, thats as far as it goes, no matter who the promises were made by.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)Again, I just answered that, sorry, slow typer and a lot of posts to reply to today....


    2.)NooooOOOOooooo... I am not the one erroneously trying to couple majority hetros civil rights with majority gay SSM topics.

    3.)As regards the promises...That was what was asked of all of us out here, the straight community 20-30 years ago... just leave us alone, we are not hurting anyone, we are just asking for your tolerance. Which we, overall, gave. Now we see that it was not just tolerance that was the end game... or at least the end of that segment of over the top unpalatable new liberalism...
    4.)you see what we are now arguing.
    5.)Now you can argue that those were different times, those might have been the promises then... well, thats as far as it goes, no matter who the promises were made by.
    1.) nope you NEVER answered it now you are just posting lies
    2.) sorry rights apply to all of us so the only error is you trying to deny others lol
    3.) this is also a lie because denying people rights and discrimination g against them is no tolerance lol its hilarious that you think anything so factually incorrect could be sold to anyone.
    4.) yes you are arguing lies and fantasy which nobody buys
    5.) nope the only fact that needs mentioned is gays are being discriminated against

    once again you have provided NOTHING that supports your failed claims
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Then post in other threads.
    Don't have to... This one will do.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Go back and read what was said. And not just my own pearls of sapience, there were others. Thats one of the reasons why we post on the site.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    How does the state not sanctioning someone else's marriage affect you? Yeah, you got nothing.
    It affects them. It affects individual liberty. And the burden is on you, not me. Tie goes to personal freedom.

    It wasn't a fair question. There isn't an answer, and I knew that when I asked it. It doesn't affect you. When asked this question straight-up, even the lawyers hired to defend Prop 8 couldn't identify any harm caused by same-sex marriage. They couldn't explain how marriage or society was being eroded or harmed. They had nothing. And their job was to have that answer. Why should I expect you to have one?

    I apologize for asking. I knew you couldn't answer, it wasn't fair.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Again, I just answered that, sorry, slow typer and a lot of posts to reply to today....


    NooooOOOOooooo... I am not the one erroneously trying to couple majority hetros civil rights with majority gay SSM topics.

    As regards the promises...That was what was asked of all of us out here, the straight community 20-30 years ago... just leave us alone, we are not hurting anyone, we are just asking for your tolerance. Which we, overall, gave. Now we see that it was not just tolerance that was the end game... or at least the end of that segment of over the top unpalatable new liberalism... you see what we are now arguing.

    Now you can argue that those were different times, those might have been the promises then... well, thats as far as it goes, no matter who the promises were made by.
    Yes, that horrible, horrible end-game of wanting to be treated equally under the law. How dare they stand up for such a thing, those blacks.

    Oops. I mean gays. We're talking about gays.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We, the people, do not have to be locked into what your side feels we the people have, for all time, "decided".

    Your side on this argument certainly didn't accept it, don't depend on my side accepting what they don't agree with, either. The idea that we "cannot take treat groups unfairly under the law without showing that this treatment furthers some legitimate state interest" is a bit disingenuous, don't you think?

    First: Define "fair". Does "fair" mean equal? No, so "fair" is a basically unmeasurable concept generally; can be placed on a continuum wherever we so choose. Next, what is "the law"...? And we know that the law is always subject to change. A "legitimate state interest" ? So, who defines that? Again, the minority does not get to rule the majority... except by our consent.

    We, the people, are the sovereigns here...not your rickety courts and corrupt statists... sorry to see so many that have been misled on that.
    We, the people, include people like me, whether you like that fact or not. People who support legalizing same sex marriages because you nor people like you have any real state interest being served by restricting people of the same sex from getting married. And it includes those "rickety courts" ensuring that the rights of the minority (especially a minority that is only a "minority" due to a vote from years ago and the slow way that politics works in general) are upheld over the whims and moral judgements of a majority at any given time.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    To endorse the people to act like Nero seems ill fated to me. Taxpayers should be furious about their will being countermanded by a tyranny of the few.

    We had a revolution about that.
    Well you can blame the Constitution for that. Gender discrimination is a no-no. And that is what the courts are determining that denying SSM is.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    [quote= Kal'Stang] Sure you can. As long as you don't try to suppress other peoples Rights. Just like its always been.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    We are square on that then.
    Good. Just let us know when your rights are being suppressed and we will fight for that too.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Thanks for the useful information.

    Another area in which polling counts is in relation to constitutional amendments where SSM [and yes, in some cases Civil Unions, as well ]are banned or where the state defines marriage as one man one woman. I think the current count is 34 states [ plus could well be added other states within the 16 that currently allow for SSM/CU had similar amendments wrongly overturned by the courts ] and that is a 2/3s + majority of the states.
    You do not have a majority of states, no matter what you may believe, not for a US Constitutional Amendment.

    First of all, you would need not just the states but also Congress unless you can get a Constitutional Convention setup (which is highly unlikely just for same sex marriage/FMA). And Bush tried in 2004/2006 and failed to get two through Congress then. Do you really think there are more in support of a Federal Marriage Amendment now?

    Federal Marriage Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Second, most of the votes for those state amendments banning same sex marriage were taken more than 6 years ago. Since that time, marriage for same sex couples has been voted in by popular vote of three states and could easily pass in more (especially most of those that already have it legal through other means). But, the people don't vote directly for Constitutional Amendments, but rather the state legislatures do. That means it would come down to their makeup. They are about evenly spread, but they certainly do not have enough for 75% (the number really needed to pass a Constitutional Amendment). This means that you would need 38 (possibly 37, not sure if they round up or not) to pass.

    Laurence Watts: Could a Constitutional Amendment Banning Same-Sex Marriage Be Passed?

    https://www.statescape.com/resources...rtysplits.aspx

    You don't have the votes and with most Democrats and Independents and even some Republicans supporting same sex marriage, a Federal Marriage Amendment is not likely to happen.
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