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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    No issues, I like it just fine... act responsibly and we are cool. Try forcing things down our throats is uncool, will result in the requisite response.

    The guys that drafted the thing were intimately aware, having just broken such bonds, of the problems of an intrusive government... ultimately you cannot force the people to bow to the will of the government, we are the owners here. We can argue this back and forth all day... but if you say the people we hire/elect are our masters, you are just flat out wrong.
    Which part of legal same sex marriage intrudes upon your life? Are you seriously under the impression that the law will require you to personally approve of same-sex marriage? Do you personally approve of every heterosexual marriage?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Put simply, in 1967 there was a ruling called Loving v. Virginia in which the remaining interracial marriage bans in various states were ruled unconstitutional. That decision expressed that states are free to regulate marriage as they see fit, but it is not an unlimited power. States cannot regulate marriage in a way that would infringe upon the Constitutional rights of citizens unless it advanced a "legitimate state interest." Since Loving v. Virginia decided that marriage is a Constitutionally protected right, the question in the current same sex marriage debate is what "legitimate state interest" is advanced by denying same sex couples and the children they raise, the family stabilizing benefits of marriage.
    See previous posts and posters re:Loving and passing the legitimate "state interest test"...thanks very much.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)No issues, I like it just fine... act responsibly and we are cool.
    2.)Try forcing things down our throats is uncool, will result in the requisite response.
    3.)The guys that drafted the thing were intimately aware, having just broken such bonds, of the problems of an intrusive government... ultimately you cannot force the people to bow to the will of the government, we are the owners here.
    4.)We can argue this back and forth all day... but if you say the people we hire/elect are our masters, you are just flat out wrong.
    1.) so you are against all those against equal rights, good job!
    2.) well there is no force happening so again your concern is empty
    3.) again no force see 2
    4.) you havent provided on sound argument yet, they have all been destroyed by multiple posters.

    Let us know when you have one please
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    See previous posts and posters re:Loving and passing the legitimate "state interest test"...thanks very much.
    we all saw them, just like when you posted them they all fail. DO you have something new that hasnt been proven wrong?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post

    Anyone attepting to argue this type of muddled mess before the High Court would be laughed out of the building.
    Well... now maybe, perhaps among the enlightened/educated but very dumbed down crowd... I suppose it just might be 8th gradish enough, to elicit such twitters.

    Besides which, I was merely expressing myself so as to be clearly understood here, hardly arguing before the Supreme Court. Should I be blushing that you found it worthy of even mentioning me arguing before the SC? Wow, thanks.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    See previous posts and posters re:Loving and passing the legitimate "state interest test"...thanks very much.
    What legitimate state interest is advanced?

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Well... now maybe, perhaps among the enlightened/educated but very dumbed down crowd... I suppose it just might be 8th gradish enough, to elicit such twitters.

    Besides which, I was merely expressing myself so as to be clearly understood here, hardly arguing before the Supreme Court. Should I be blushing that you found it worthy of even mentioning me arguing before the SC? Wow, thanks.
    Translation: you have no counter
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    These two statements contradict each other.




    Legalizing same-sex marriage doesn't force you to do any of these things.
    One could hold one's own wedding ceremony and marry a light pole if one so desires... what do I care, that's between him/her and the light pole. No state sanctioning there, no blessings, no acknowledgements, etc, etc... also NO contradictions.

    And as to your second statement, I have heard those kind of promises before. Ever hear the one about, "...we just want to be left alone, we just want your toleration"... do you remember how long that lasted, do you?

    Fool me once, shame on you...
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)One could hold one's own wedding ceremony and marry a light pole if one so desires... what do I care, that's between him/her and the light pole. No state sanctioning there, no blessings, no acknowledgements, etc, etc... also NO contradictions.

    2.)And as to your second statement, I have heard those kind of promises before.

    3.)Ever hear the one about, "...we just want to be left alone, we just want your toleration"... do you remember how long that lasted, do you?

    4.)Fool me once, shame on you...
    1.) all meaningless to legal marriage and rights
    also your subjective opinion of "contradictions" is also meaningless to legal marriage and rights

    2.) not a promise its reality

    3.) then you should leave americans alone and stop trying to deny they equality and rights, you are learning

    4.) yes you fooled yourself in to thinking it was ok to ignore peoples rights
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    No state sanctioning there, no blessings, no acknowledgements, etc, etc... also NO contradictions.
    In an ever decreasing number of states, yes.

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