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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    You mean by having to state the obvious to activist judges to make sure they actually understand the point? Then learning that they still don't understand? Pretty sad, one is forced to agree.
    If you walk into court unable to understand the difference between murderers and gay people getting married, you have to be prepared for the fact that you may be unable to state your case in a way that will result in success. Besides, I'm not convinced you know what your point is.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    These are your reactions to news of such. I think at this point there are bigger issues than if Steve and Joe want to get married.
    nope not my news, guess you didnt read the post and are ignoring the facts

    you can think what you wish but as already proven, your statement was factually wrong,
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    And speaking of muddled, mixed up, you sure you don't want to be a bit more precise about what "does violate equal protection"? Many, many, many things specifically do not have equal protections and are not considered in violation. As well they should not. I am sure you might, if you put your thinking cap on, even think of a few examples yourself.
    Yep, and that's why the court weighs state interest against the measure in question. Blind application is as stupid as no application.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Exactly, the 14th simply cannot, its impossible.

    Besides which, the drafters of the 14th had no way of knowing at that point in time, even after the stark raving madness of the Civil War, just how crazy some folk would become today. I think the Kinks said it well with the lyrics, "Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls. It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world..."

    Not all of us advocate the world being near that muddled up... those that do, well, sorry, we cannot all just be forced to go along your aberrant paths. You see, we don't want what would then come next, and next after that...

    And speaking of muddled, mixed up, you sure you don't want to be a bit more precise about what "does violate equal protection"? Many, many, many things specifically do not have equal protections and are not considered in violation. As well they should not. I am sure you might, if you put your thinking cap on, even think of a few examples yourself.
    Put simply, in 1967 there was a ruling called Loving v. Virginia in which the remaining interracial marriage bans in various states were ruled unconstitutional. That decision expressed that states are free to regulate marriage as they see fit, but it is not an unlimited power. States cannot regulate marriage in a way that would infringe upon the Constitutional rights of citizens unless it advanced a "legitimate state interest." Since Loving v. Virginia decided that marriage is a Constitutionally protected right, the question in the current same sex marriage debate is what "legitimate state interest" is advanced by denying same sex couples and the children they raise, the family stabilizing benefits of marriage.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Seeing as by getting married gays are not oppressing anybody, there is not reason they should not be allowed to.
    Let them have at it, who is stopping them?

    Just do not expect to be state sanctioned, receive state blessings, acknowledgement, accorded any special status, special protections... just continued tolerance and the protections afforded every other individual.

    Nobody being forced to recognize, condone, encourage/discourage, promote, etc... then we're cool.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Exactly, the 14th simply cannot, its impossible.

    Besides which, the drafters of the 14th had no way of knowing at that point in time, even after the stark raving madness of the Civil War, just how crazy some folk would become today. I think the Kinks said it well with the lyrics, "Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls. It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world..."
    this passage alone show the ridiculousness of your constitutional contentions. Plain and simple.

    Anyone attepting to argue this type of muddled mess before the High Court would be laughed out of the building.


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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Let them have at it, who is stopping them?

    Just do not expect to be state sanctioned, receive state blessings, acknowledgement, accorded any special status, special protections... just continued tolerance and the protections afforded every other individual.
    These two statements contradict each other.


    Nobody being forced to recognize, condone, encourage/discourage, promote, etc... then we're cool.
    Legalizing same-sex marriage doesn't force you to do any of these things.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Let them have at it, who is stopping them?

    Just do not expect to be state sanctioned, receive state blessings, acknowledgement, accorded any special status, special protections... just continued tolerance and the protections afforded every other individual.

    Nobody being forced to recognize, condone, encourage/discourage, promote, etc... then we're cool.
    awesome, then you support equal rights for gays, good job!

    it will be state sanctioned everywhere eventually you are just going to have to get over it or more to a country that doesn't care about rights

    have yo presented ONE sound argument against it yet? . . . . .ONE?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    These two statements contradict each other.




    Legalizing same-sex marriage doesn't force you to do any of these things.
    100% correct, its a failed strawman that nobody buys.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It sounds like you have an issue with the US Constitution. The United States is not a democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic. The will of the people is the US Constitution, not a majority vote in any particular state. If you do not like it, you should probably find a different country.
    No issues, I like it just fine... act responsibly and we are cool. Try forcing things down our throats is uncool, will result in the requisite response.

    The guys that drafted the thing were intimately aware, having just broken such bonds, of the problems of an intrusive government... ultimately you cannot force the people to bow to the will of the government, we are the owners here. We can argue this back and forth all day... but if you say the people we hire/elect are our masters, you are just flat out wrong.
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