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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    My example works fine because we do know it violates the 14th. Numerous judges have ruled this. Windsor set the precedent. Heightened scrutiny, a test that such a ban cannot possibly pass. You object? Ok. Provide the important state interest served by denying marriage to two people of the same gender, and describe how the measure is substantially related to that interest.

    "Activist judge" is the cry of people who have no argument other than the judge ruled in a way they don't like. People with a real rebuttal will detail that rebuttal and back it up with something.
    Besides calling you on your premature exclamation of assuredness as regards SSM, I also object to the whole thing, disagree with the test itself, no matter the result.

    All just a load of lawyer-speak, attorney jive, my requirement is that it make sense to all of us, not just the ones hooked on the technicalities, nor the ones that can be bought, influenced. If the people want SSM in their own state, damn well let them have it...but let the people decide, not judges, not lawyers, not courts...maybe elected politicians, understanding that all can be written can be rewritten, can be taken back, countermanded by the electorate's choices. Pendulum is allowed to swing.

    If the electorate itself does not actually get to make these broader stroke decisions, then we are all just basically slaves at the beckon call [ or for all you proper linguists out there, beck and call ] of our superiors.

    Sorry, a definition of activists judges is not the one you get to make up [ an activist poster that might do that ]. Activists judges are those that make rulings suspected of being based on personal/political considerations rather than on the extant law. Those are often readily apparent [RvW].
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Besides calling you on your premature exclamation of assuredness as regards SSM, I also object to the whole thing, disagree with the test itself, no matter the result.

    All just a load of lawyer-speak, attorney jive, my requirement is that it make sense to all of us, not just the ones hooked on the technicalities, nor the ones that can be bought, influenced. If the people want SSM in their own state, damn well let them have it...but let the people decide, not judges, not lawyers, not courts...maybe elected politicians, understanding that all can be written can be rewritten, can be taken back, countermanded by the electorate's choices. Pendulum is allowed to swing.

    If the electorate itself does not actually get to make these broader stroke decisions, then we are all just basically slaves at the beckon call [ or for all you proper linguists out there, beck and call ] of our superiors.

    Sorry, a definition of activists judges is not the one you get to make up [ an activist poster that might do that ]. Activists judges are those that make rulings suspected of being based on personal/political considerations rather than on the extant law. Those are often readily apparent [RvW].
    It sounds like you have an issue with the US Constitution. The United States is not a democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic. The will of the people is the US Constitution, not a majority vote in any particular state. If you do not like it, you should probably find a different country.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Besides calling you on your premature exclamation of assuredness as regards SSM, I also object to the whole thing, disagree with the test itself, no matter the result.

    All just a load of lawyer-speak, attorney jive, my requirement is that it make sense to all of us, not just the ones hooked on the technicalities, nor the ones that can be bought, influenced. If the people want SSM in their own state, damn well let them have it...but let the people decide, not judges, not lawyers, not courts...maybe elected politicians, understanding that all can be written can be rewritten, can be taken back, countermanded by the electorate's choices. Pendulum is allowed to swing.

    If the electorate itself does not actually get to make these broader stroke decisions, then we are all just basically slaves at the beckon call [ or for all you proper linguists out there, beck and call ] of our superiors.

    Sorry, a definition of activists judges is not the one you get to make up [ an activist poster that might do that ]. Activists judges are those that make rulings suspected of being based on personal/political considerations rather than on the extant law. Those are often readily apparent [RvW].
    Folks.

    This is the Religious Right Wing at it's most potent.

    Best summed up by Jon Stewart in his description of Fox News which completely describes the above post.

    "Expressing anger and victimization over the loss of absolute power and reframing it as persecution of Real America by minorities, freeloaders, socialists and homosexuals".

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    this is awesome, 35 pages and theres NOTHING that says the constitution has been violated, only evidence of protecting rights, the ass whoopin going on in this thread is astounding!

    its all the same arguments that were presented against women's rights, minority rights and interracial marriage.

    All these arguments were debunked and eventually failed the test of history, law and rights because they were found to be illogical, unsound and mentally retarded. That was true then and that remains true today.

    now the best NEW arguments is a conspiracy theory of "rogue, activist, liberal judges" LMAO these failed arguments and conspiracy theories reek of dishonesty and desperation. Nobody educate, honest and objective buys them.

    Equality is winning and bigotry and or discrimination is losing. Some people simply hate the idea of others sharing thier same rights but thier meaningless feelings dont matter. People can cry about this all they want but its VERY transparent.

    Is there ONE sound, logical and honest argument against gay rights when it comes to law, rights, freedom and this country? ONE?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Besides calling you on your premature exclamation of assuredness as regards SSM, I also object to the whole thing, disagree with the test itself, no matter the result.

    All just a load of lawyer-speak, attorney jive, my requirement is that it make sense to all of us, not just the ones hooked on the technicalities, nor the ones that can be bought, influenced. If the people want SSM in their own state, damn well let them have it...but let the people decide, not judges, not lawyers, not courts...maybe elected politicians, understanding that all can be written can be rewritten, can be taken back, countermanded by the electorate's choices. Pendulum is allowed to swing.

    If the electorate itself does not actually get to make these broader stroke decisions, then we are all just basically slaves at the beckon call [ or for all you proper linguists out there, beck and call ] of our superiors.

    Sorry, a definition of activists judges is not the one you get to make up [ an activist poster that might do that ]. Activists judges are those that make rulings suspected of being based on personal/political considerations rather than on the extant law. Those are often readily apparent [RvW].
    It doesn't make sense to you? What, it's too complicated?

    In an equal protection challenge, the state must justify the measure with a sufficiently powerful state interest. The state must also demonstrate the measure is done in a way related to that interest, and is not reaching beyond that interest more than is necessary.

    There is no rational basis for banning same-sex marriage. Preventing two adults of the same gender from entering the contract does not further any state interest, nor does it cause harm to anyone else, or to society in general.

    Your only argument is "people voted for it." As if that alone is enough to decide what someone else can or cannot do. Why do you think you have the right to make that decision for them? How on earth have you managed to convince yourself that this notion is in accordance with a nation built upon individual liberty?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and what do you base that on?

    all these things prove you wrong

    the celebration where they happen
    the crying where they happen

    the celebration here when it happens
    the crying here when it happens

    the news reports, before, during and after
    These are your reactions to news of such. I think at this point there are bigger issues than if Steve and Joe want to get married.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    These are your reactions to news of such. I think at this point there are bigger issues than if Steve and Joe want to get married.
    Then post in other threads.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The 14th amendment doesn't require a laundry list of every conceivable law it would apply to. All that needs to be demonstrated is whether something does violate equal protection, as laws against gay marriage have repeatedly been shown to.
    Exactly, the 14th simply cannot, its impossible.

    Besides which, the drafters of the 14th had no way of knowing at that point in time, even after the stark raving madness of the Civil War, just how crazy some folk would become today. I think the Kinks said it well with the lyrics, "Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls. It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world..."

    Not all of us advocate the world being near that muddled up... those that do, well, sorry, we cannot all just be forced to go along your aberrant paths. You see, we don't want what would then come next, and next after that...

    And speaking of muddled, mixed up, you sure you don't want to be a bit more precise about what "does violate equal protection"? Many, many, many things specifically do not have equal protections and are not considered in violation. As well they should not. I am sure you might, if you put your thinking cap on, even think of a few examples yourself.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Exactly, the 14th simply cannot, its impossible.
    Which is why it's irrational to say that it doesn't "mention same sex marriage." All that's required is a demonstration that certain laws violate that protection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Besides which, the drafters of the 14th had no way of knowing at that point in time, even after the stark raving madness of the Civil War, just how crazy some folk would become today. I think the Kinks said it well with the lyrics, "Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls. It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world..."

    Not all of us advocate the world being near that muddled up... those that do, well, sorry, we cannot all just be forced to go along your aberrant paths. You see, we don't want what would then come next, and next after that...

    And speaking of muddled, mixed up, you sure you don't want to be a bit more precise about what "does violate equal protection"? Many, many, many things specifically do not have equal protections and are not considered in violation. As well they should not. I am sure you might, if you put your thinking cap on, even think of a few examples yourself.
    That isn't a prelude to gun rights, is it?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This post is a particularly good example of why your side of the gay marriage debate doesn't do well in court.
    You mean by having to state the obvious to activist judges to make sure they actually understand the point? Then learning later that they still didn't understand? Pretty sad, one is forced to agree.
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