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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or expanding our government aggressively against the rights and liberties of the People, growing imperial wars, pandering to corporate interest, etc.

    Conserving the union. That's rich. When was the last time any Republocrat was interested in that?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You haven't read even one of the decisions that have overturned same-sex marriage bans, so keep telling yourself that, buddy.
    I have read them all thus far. Not worth the paper they're printed upon. I don't have to keep telling myself anything of the sort - YOU were the one that revealed you only care about the end result, the method?, not so much. The Constitution, not at all. It's only a foil to get you what you want.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

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    I have read them all thus far. Not worth the paper they're printed upon. I don't have to keep telling myself anything of the sort - YOU were the one that revealed you only care about the end result, the method?, not so much. The Constitution, not at all. It's only a foil to get you what you want.
    I feel the same about you. You've twisted the constitution to convince yourself that equal protection doesn't mean equal protection, that your disgust for homosexuality can be translated into law of the United States. That your opinions decide the rights of others.

    And seriously, nobody is buying it when you claim to have read them all.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And you, the authoritarian, would deny them the choice in the first place.
    What?

    So removing a government authority is being authoritarian? Is your world upside down? WTF?

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Boo.

    Gosh, so do you think we should oppress [by that I mean even going to the point of putting them in jail] murderers?

    How scary. How absurd.
    A murderer takes away the right to life of another human being by killing them, therefore it is justified that their rights be taken away and thrown in jail. On the contrary, a gay person does not take away the rights of other in any way. You have the right to think about them however you wish, just as they reserve the right to get married. Seeing as by getting married gays are not oppressing anybody, there is not reason they should not be allowed to.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What?

    So removing a government authority is being authoritarian? Is your world upside down?
    The post explains my opinion sufficiently. If you're confused, it's because you're cherry-picking one sentence and ignoring the rest of the conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I feel the same about you. You've twisted the constitution to convince yourself that equal protection doesn't mean equal protection, that your disgust for homosexuality can be translated into law of the United States. That your opinions decide the rights of others.

    And seriously, nobody is buying it when you claim to have read them all.
    You've made a couple false assumptions. One is that I have a "disgust for homosexuality". Not true. Two that I don't believe in the principles set forth in the 14th, again, not true. And finally that my opinions decide the rights of others - that would be YOU who are guilty of that one.

    You lost the constitutional argument and admitted you don't care as long as your opinion wins, as long as you get what you want. Don't try to put that on me, that's all you.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How is that "will of the people"? Over half the voting populace doesn't vote in the first place. It's perhaps will of about 1/4 of the people.

    Regardless, ever since government usurped marriage and created the marriage license, marriage has become government issued and recognized contract. The individual has right to contract and the government may not discriminate. As such, SSM is properly allowed.
    The "will of the people" perhaps only counts those that count themselves. You have to have will to be considered [as having a "will"]. Similarly, if you had three empty and three glasses full of water, you wouldn't/couldn't reasonably count that as 6 glasses of water. Besides, you know what they always say about "will", where there is a will there is a way. Yes, we only count the conscious and the participating. In addition to everything else we are supposed to force them to vote? Too authoritarian for my likes, yano?

    Not every contract merits consideration, much less approval, glad to say. The government and every single conscious person on the planet discriminates almost all the time every single day. I pick my powder blue polo button down over the white/cream one. We choose one over the other, we prioritize, we budget... all involving choosing, discriminating one thing over another. Not that hard to understand. And if you are a smart adult, one who has looked at things, studied things, understand consequences, unintended and intended, well... you just try to do it right. As regards government, as best we all think...

    Or else there arises trouble... who needs that? Now if you want it, really want it, well thats a different story.

    Things are fine until some decide to push it too far... who knows when the camel's back will eventually break...

    Who knows? Only the shadow knows...
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Is that why more young people today consider marriage a net loss and the risks not worth the reward? How is those alimony laws working out for ya?
    If you feel the risk of divorce and the subsequent alimony is too great a risk, then don't get married. You keep going on about government's intrusion into marriage, but you keep forgetting that you're not legally obliged to get a civil marriage.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The post explains my opinion sufficiently. If you're confused, it's because you're cherry-picking one sentence and ignoring the rest of the conversation.
    authoritarian -

    1. favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
    2. of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.
    3. exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of another or of others: an authoritarian parent.

    So, do you really believe removing a government authority is authoritarian?

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