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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Intelligent people don't need to post cartoons show emotion - especially when history has nothing to do with emotion.
    still no rational, honest and factual arguments huh?
    let us know when you have one
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Intelligent people don't need to post cartoons show emotion - especially when history has nothing to do with emotion.
    Please learn syntax.

    And stop getting your history insight from this dude.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    Well, considering the government must compensate me for anything they take away from me, they can have my trashy car and ill go buy another.

    As to your point, you must realize that there were tens of thousands (if not more) slaves who were having their rights trampled on - in a country founded because the rights of the founders were being trampled on! I mean... really?

    And unless those cars have actual people under the hood instead of the Hemi I am hoping for, it is not the same, and you bloody well know it... Or you should. Unless you are advocating for a return to the slave days? If so, may I suggest that you be the first one to be shackled?



    He didn't need to, he just did it because it was funny.
    You have to realize people paid money for those slaves (regardless acceptable or not)... The government sole money from those people....

    A lot of people only see the "slave" aspect and not the "pissed off owners who lost a **** ton of money aspect."

    Was slavery wrong? yes, but can you blame a guy who lost upwards of a million or two in currant monetary value pissed not justified being pissed? especially when slavery was usual? EVERYWHERE.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Please learn syntax.

    And stop getting your history insight from this dude.
    You need to stop posting memes to people you don't agree with as a counter-argument or digression.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You need to stop posting memes to people you don't agree with as a counter-argument or digression.
    you have to provide an argument first for it to be countered, your posts have yet to do this.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Intelligent people don't need to post cartoons show emotion - especially when history has nothing to do with emotion.
    Yet every other word you post is a swear word that gets censored. You have been schooled on interracial marriage having nothing to do with slavery and it is clear that now you liken it to taking environmentally cars away from you? It is always funny watching so-called libertarians wanting the government to restrict freedom.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You have to realize people paid money for those slaves (regardless acceptable or not)... The government sole money from those people....

    A lot of people only see the "slave" aspect and not the "pissed off owners who lost a **** ton of money aspect."

    Was slavery wrong? yes, but can you blame a guy who lost upwards of a million or two in currant monetary value pissed not justified being pissed? especially when slavery was usual? EVERYWHERE.
    Actually slavery had been all but abolished in Western Europe by 1860. One argument is that slavery would have gone away on its own so your argument is silly. Especially as the south lost a war which always causes cultural changes. They may have been pissed but it is their own fault. Or do you think the NAZIs were justified after WW1 hurt Germany?

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The constitution overrules the will of the people. It is set this way so that the majority cannot impose their tyranny on the minority. Or, shall I say, your tyranny on the minority.

    Something interesting happened while you weren't looking:

    You stopped being the majority.

    But you're right. You will still have the ability to sit in the privacy of your own home and proclaim just how much you despise same-sex marriage. Nobody will take that from you.

    edit: majority/minority, lol.
    Wow, just how badly can one misapprehend our Constitution?

    You have once again proven a basic lack of understanding of our history, our government and, above all, our Constitution. We the People, predominantly the majority, will always be the kings, the sovereigns, and everyone else is just the hired help, our servants, our "public servants". We only give our consent to be governed in a representative democracy.

    If we withdraw that consent, place it elsewhere, its a done deal. Proven by the Revolutionary War when we dissolved the bands that held us to the mother country. Our founders/drafters of the Constitution gave us methods by which we should, perhaps, not have to go to such lengths... but they understood that we might at times just have to do the work required of liberty.

    When our government goes off on its own, away from the will of the people, it is our duty to bring it back in line or establish a new government. We have "minority" and inalienable rights, with our minority rights being expressed basically through the bill of rights, particularly the first amendment with its allowance of free speech etc so that the minority cannot ever be silenced from speaking and is given full right to express opinions on their way to potentially convincing sufficient numbers of the rest of us to become the majority... and then it is that sentiment of that majority that rules.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. ... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787

    Should have learned those concepts back in Civics.

    You may or may not be right about not being the majority, but we are not the minority either. First of all, there are still the majority of states that have either a constitutional amendment banning SSM or defining marriage as one man one woman. The states have the right to do this under our Constitution, the reserved powers of the states. There is nowhere contained, enumerated, in the document the power of the Federal government to control how or who the states sanction in matrimony. Then you have the Pew poll

    opposition to gay marriage pew 2014.jpg As you can see, there is much divergence even in the Democrat party as to whether there should be SSM. We are still the plurality, and with time who knows which way it will go... but it will perhaps never be just a done deal, one way or the other.

    To all those who would just willy-nilly wreck our culture for momentary self interest, you can be sure that there are plenty of us out here to counter that sort of subversion so as to maintain ourselves for the longer term.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously have never read the Constitution nor have any idea what it stands for. You might want to take a look at it some time.
    I speak of the Constitution in explicit terms, you just wave your hand at it and say you know it. The minimal you have expressed thus far shows a basic ignorance of the document and its history.

    Game over, please place your quarter in the slot and try again [ if you simply must do so, please also do some reading on our history, how governments and our Constitution work, first...thanks ].
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Journalist Emma Fidel wrote for The Associated Press 23 March 2014:
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    GAY MARRIAGES IN MICHIGAN HALTED BY APPEALS COURT — ...Saturday, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals froze until at least Wednesday a decision by a lower court judge to overturn Michigan's ban. ...The appeals court said the time-out will "allow a more reasoned consideration" of the state's request to stop same-sex marriages.
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