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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sorry, it's specifically designed to work the other way. You want to expand it, amend the Constitution.
    Don't need to. It's already going where I want it to go.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The framers of the constitution didn't create the 14th amendment. I respect them as great men, but I draw the line at them being able to literally see the future.

    Also, "speech" doesn't mean today what it did to the Framers, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find any conservative that thinks the government can infringe upon what you type on the internet anymore than they can infringe upon what you can physically say audibly.
    Ahh, but they do ("infringe upon what you type on the internet").

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Don't need to. It's already going where I want it to go.
    And there we have the answer. Your don't care one bit about constitutionality. It's all about winning. The ends justifying the means.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Don't need to. It's already going where I want it to go.
    exactly, if people don't want equal rights they will have to change the constitution.

    Theres nothing to change for the people that care about rights on this issue.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Your rebuttal is that sometimes equal protection has not been followed? That violation of equal protection actually is a tradition... and, what, therefore should be upheld!?

    Which right of yours, exactly, is being stepped on when a man marries a man? And why is your tradition enshrined in the law and used to bar other people from action, but mine isn't? Do you also want to make eating shrimp illegal? Some people have that tradition. Why are you trampling on that tradition, you shrimp eater?
    My "rebuttal" was simply proving your summary of history woefully imprecise.

    The right that is being denied is the majority's free will to have, to create the society which they, we, have freely desired to live in, that we have freely chosen. Not to have a different one forced down upon us from on high. We do have that right and all your side's cunning little strategies to circumvent the will of the people will end up alongside the cemeteries of other adventurous utopian experiments here in America.

    Have all the Hawthornesque Blithedale Romance you want...just get a room and don't try to force your numbers challenged minority views upon the rest of us please. Gain the majority and then we have to listen.

    Reasons? We are the majority and we rule, rock and roll and will decide to eat lobster and crab legs if shrimp simply must be banned by OoooOOOooo tooooo too hipsters. Besides, those wanting shrimp, too, can eat their shrimp in the privacy of their own mouths... supposed to close the mouth while eating anyhow.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)My "rebuttal" was simply proving your summary of history woefully imprecise.

    2.)The right that is being denied is the majority's free will to have, to create the society which they, we, have freely desired to live in, that we have freely chosen. Not to have a different one forced down upon us from on high.

    3.)We do have that right and all your side's cunning little strategies to circumvent the will of the people will end up alongside the cemeteries of other adventurous utopian experiments here in America.

    4.)Have all the Hawthornesque Blithedale Romance you want...just get a room and don't try to force your numbers challenged minority views upon the rest of us please.

    5.) Gain the majority and then we have to listen.

    6.) Reasons? We are the majority and we rule, rock and roll and will decide to eat lobster and crab legs if shrimp simply must be banned by OoooOOOooo tooooo too hipsters. Besides, those wanting shrimp, too, can eat their shrimp in the privacy of their own mouths... supposed to close the mouth while eating anyhow.
    1.) and it failed
    2.) people are free to do this right now LOL and your opinion of having this right is not being infringed at all
    3.) this strawman will continue to fail everytime you mention it. This is why judges have almost laughed at it because the argument itslef is mentally retarded. The will of the people doesnt matter to individual rights.
    See womans rights, minority rights and interracial marriage.

    You are simply making up a failed, hyperbolic, appeal to emotion, strawman that nobody honest, educated and objective buys. Including all the judges that also said theres no real argument there because the will of the people does not exist in that fashion. History proves this. Youll have to do better because this is a complete intellectually dishonest failure that will never win.

    4.) as many poster have already pointed out there is no force so this strawman fails

    5.) the majority already support equal rights but again that doent matter. Seems you are confused about many things on this topic.

    6.) you are NOT the majority LMAO and majority does not rule. DO you know how america works?

    do you have any logical, rational, honest and accurate argument that doesn't completely fail?

    still laughing at "we the majority rule" which was wrong TWICE lol
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And there we have the answer. Your don't care one bit about constitutionality. It's all about winning. The ends justifying the means.
    Nonsense. There is a hundred years of judicial precedent and a sound constitutional argument for my side. You've elected to pretend they don't exist, but that's your problem and not mine.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    My "rebuttal" was simply proving your summary of history woefully imprecise.

    The right that is being denied is the majority's free will to have, to create the society which they, we, have freely desired to live in, that we have freely chosen. Not to have a different one forced down upon us from on high. We do have that right and all your side's cunning little strategies to circumvent the will of the people will end up alongside the cemeteries of other adventurous utopian experiments here in America.
    The constitution overrules the will of the people. It is set this way so that the majority cannot impose their tyranny on the minority. Or, shall I say, your tyranny on the minority.

    Have all the Hawthornesque Blithedale Romance you want...just get a room and don't try to force your numbers challenged minority views upon the rest of us please. Gain the majority and then we have to listen.

    Reasons? We are the majority and we rule, rock and roll and will decide to eat lobster and crab legs if shrimp simply must be banned by OoooOOOooo tooooo too hipsters. Besides, those wanting shrimp, too, can eat their shrimp in the privacy of their own mouths... supposed to close the mouth while eating anyhow.
    Something interesting happened while you weren't looking:

    You stopped being the majority.

    But you're right. You will still have the ability to sit in the privacy of your own home and proclaim just how much you despise same-sex marriage. Nobody will take that from you.

    edit: majority/minority, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    You haven't studied your history properly or thoroughly. Sure we can, in reality we the people can do as we want... but we agree to abide by the rules as long as those rules are ours, as a whole. You saw what happened in the Revolution when the tyranny of the minority, King and Parliament, overstepped their boundaries.

    Freedom hardly means that everyone just gets to do whatever they want, or whatever they can try to compel a majority to do when that majority finally says no.
    You obviously have never read the Constitution nor have any idea what it stands for. You might want to take a look at it some time.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

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    Who cares anymore? I mean honestly, the moment this issue comes up now, people tune out....
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