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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Discrimination is allowed if you can show a legitimate purpose for doing so. There is a legitimate purpose in denying people who are convicted child molestors from being around children. There is no legitimate purpose to denying marriage to same sex couples. One if to protect children the other is merely for beliefs about sin or abnormality or maintaining tradition.
    So, if we start redefining sex between adults and children in the future, or say the APA does, initially reclassifying what was thought to be child molestation now as an illness...perhaps later going so far as even legitimizing this type of relationship... and you were to disagree with this, what would be the proper recourse?

    Surely if it was "the law" one wouldn't deny the "former" molester from performing his/her job babysitting your child would one? That would be rather like bullying. I mean, what does it all really matter in the course of history whether we believe that child molestation helps or hinders our progress? Right?

    I mean if the APA certifies it does not truly hurt the child... or at least doesn't hurt most children? Come on, gotta be on the cool/hip side, give these poor folks a break, don't wanna discriminate, that would be so hurtful.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    What is silly is they already have the same exact rights as I do. But I am sure that is hard to get through the thick walls at times... but some are just late bloomers on certain subjects, I suppose.
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    Well now, is that our tradition, is it? If it is so written, let it be done. You certainly are not against it, right? I mean, why not just be for everything, chaos is a good thing, isn't it?
    I'm not for everything, you're the only one who thinks we have to be. Alternatively:
    If heterosexual marriage doesn't mean we have to be for bestiality, why does homosexual marriage mean we have to be for bestiality?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Could one imagine being forced to tolerate allowing a convicted child molester to baby sit one's children? But, under the indistinct banner of tolerance you are waving, one could easily make the case that they should tolerate such nonsense.

    Would be hoist on their own petard, wouldn't they? Its like wanting wind energy, but not wanting those big wind turbines in their own backyard...you know, messing up the view and killing all the birds
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    Some people will always dream up 'reasons' to reserve rights to themselves and deny them to others.

    This is nothing new, it's been going on for a long time.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    We never have. Our Constitution was set up so that the rights of the minority could not be over-run by the tyranny of the majority. Constitutional rights are not such that they are put to a "popular vote" (although gay marriage would be approved by a popular vote today). The reality is....America is not always quick to get it right, but gets it right eventually. Long live freedom in this great country!!!!
    You haven't studied your history properly or thoroughly. Sure we can, in reality we the people can do as we want... but we agree to abide by the rules as long as those rules are ours, as a whole. You saw what happened in the Revolution when the tyranny of the minority, King and Parliament, overstepped their boundaries.

    Freedom hardly means that everyone just gets to do whatever they want, or whatever they can try to compel a majority to do when that majority finally says no.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So why shouldn't two men or two women be able to establish legal kinship? What right is it of yours to vote against that for them?
    I don't see any reason they can't establish kinship just fine through private contract. As for military benefits dependent on legal kinship, they don't need to set that standard. They can just ask the individual who they want to have those benefits and limit it to only one person.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)So, if we start redefining sex between adults and children in the future, or say the APA does, initially reclassifying what was thought to be child molestation now as an illness...perhaps later going so far as even legitimizing this type of relationship... and you were to disagree with this, what would be the proper recourse?

    2.)Surely if it was "the law" one wouldn't deny the "former" molester from performing his/her job babysitting your child would one? That would be rather like bullying. I mean, what does it all really matter in the course of history whether we believe that child molestation helps or hinders our progress? Right?

    3.) I mean if the APA certifies it does not truly hurt the child... or at least doesn't hurt most children? Come on, gotta be on the cool/hip side, give these poor folks a break, don't wanna discriminate, that would be so hurtful.
    1.) instant failure, why would the APA push to legalize child rape and violate the rights of others. THeres no recourse because you arent talking about RIGHTS lol
    2.) this doesnt even make sense, Could you stay on topic and make ONE honest post that doesnt instantly fail? ONE
    3.) APA does not decide on RIGHTS

    sorry your post and analogies complete fail.

    DO you have anything of intellectual merit to post or even something logically and honestly sound?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    Except having their marriages recognized by the government and receiving the benefits that comes from having them recognized.
    Well, if they want that, they play by the majority's rules then, just like I do. They have the same rights of marriage as do I, exactly.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Everyone has the same right to marry someone of the same race."
    -Lots of people, 50 years ago.

    "That argument is bull****."
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    I'm not for everything, you're the only one who thinks we have to be. Alternatively:
    If heterosexual marriage doesn't mean we have to be for bestiality, why does homosexual marriage mean we have to be for bestiality?
    Can you supply your sources for all that mess?

    Oh, and if you hadn't previously noticed, we have a track record with heterosexual marriage. Check it out.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    This ruling has a lot of great stuff.

    Fourth, the state defendants’ position suffers from a glaring inconsistency. Even assuming that children raised by same-sex couples fare worse than children raised by heterosexual married couples, the state defendants fail to explain why Michigan law does not similarly exclude certain classes of heterosexual couples from marrying whose children persistently have had “sub-optimal” developmental outcomes.

    According to Rosenfeld’s study, children raised by suburban residents academically outperformed those children raised by rural and urban residents. Likewise, “middle class and poor families are ‘sub-optimal’ compared to well-off families, and couples with less formal education are “sub-optimal” compared to couples with more formal education.” Pls.’ Ex. 31 at 5. A child’s racial background is another predictive indicator of future success, as the study showed that “the probability of making good progress through school is greater in the U.S. for children of Asian descent than for children of all other racial groups.” Id.

    Taking the state defendants’ position to its logical conclusion, the empirical evidence at hand should require that only rich, educated, suburban-dwelling, married Asians may marry, to the exclusion of all other heterosexual couples. Obviously the state has not adopted this policy and with good reason. The absurdity of such a requirement is self-evident. Optimal academic outcomes for children cannot logically dictate which groups may marr
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Some people will always dream up 'reasons' to reserve rights to themselves and deny them to others.

    This is nothing new, it's been going on for a long time.
    Wow, I do appreciate the deeply thought profundities, thanks.
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