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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The government recognizing a marriage is a lot like the government recognizing an adoption or a birth certificate. All set up legal relationships for people. Legal kinship.
    Bull****. A marriage by itself is between two private individuals and has nothing at all to do with government. A marriage only becomes comparable to a birth certificate when the government involves itself in the crafting of the contract. Any marriage or marriage contract can be recognized without such interference.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Bull****. A marriage by itself is between two private individuals and nothing at all to do with government. A marriage only becomes comparable to a birth certificate when the government involves itself in the crafting of the contract. Any marriage or marriage contract can be recognized without such interference.
    There is a marriage contract that acts as a legal kinship establishing document. This is why all you have to do to get federal benefits (such as military dependency) is to show a marriage license, just as you would show either a birth certificate or adoption record to claim a child as a military dependent.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    We do decide, via the US Constitution. We the people have decided that the states and other people, even a majority, cannot take treat groups unfairly under the law without showing that this treatment furthers some legitimate state interest (the 14th Amendment, EPC). That takes precedent over any vote the people make, whether direct (via ballot) or indirect (via representatives).
    We, the people, do not have to be locked into what your side feels we the people have, for all time, "decided".

    Your side on this argument certainly didn't accept it, don't depend on my side accepting what they don't agree with, either. The idea that we "cannot take treat groups unfairly under the law without showing that this treatment furthers some legitimate state interest" is a bit disingenuous, don't you think?

    First: Define "fair". Does "fair" mean equal? No, so "fair" is a basically unmeasurable concept generally; can be placed on a continuum wherever we so choose. Next, what is "the law"...? And we know that the law is always subject to change. A "legitimate state interest" ? So, who defines that? Again, the minority does not get to rule the majority... except by our consent.

    We, the people, are the sovereigns here...not your rickety courts and corrupt statists... sorry to see so many that have been misled on that.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Scary.

    So We, you know, the People, do not get to decide what is acceptable and not in our own culture anymore? Judicial tyrants decide that for us now, do they?

    Scary.
    We never have. Our Constitution was set up so that the rights of the minority could not be over-run by the tyranny of the majority. Constitutional rights are not such that they are put to a "popular vote" (although gay marriage would be approved by a popular vote today). The reality is....America is not always quick to get it right, but gets it right eventually. Long live freedom in this great country!!!!
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    Well, you did seem quite upset with the ruling on the first page. Silly gays trying to get the same rights as us, wow.
    What is silly is they already have the same exact rights as I do. But I am sure that is hard to get through the thick walls at times... but some are just late bloomers on certain subjects, I suppose.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If we have to allow heterosexual marriage, we have to allow heterosexual child marriage, right? Where does your tradition end?
    Well now, is that our tradition, is it? If it is so written, let it be done. You certainly are not against it, right? I mean, why not just be for everything, chaos is a good thing, isn't it?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    What is silly is they already have the same exact rights as I do. But I am sure that is hard to get through the thick walls at times... but some are just late bloomers on certain subjects, I suppose.
    weird how many judges and court cases disagree with this then?
    must be a big conspiracy lol

    they will have the same rights as me and you soon though
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is a marriage contract that acts as a legal kinship establishing document. This is why all you have to do to get federal benefits (such as military dependency) is to show a marriage license, just as you would show either a birth certificate or adoption record to claim a child as a military dependent.
    Yes, I know the government marriage contract establishes legal kinship, and I know you love your military benefits.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    What is silly is they already have the same exact rights as I do. But I am sure that is hard to get through the thick walls at times... but some are just late bloomers on certain subjects, I suppose.
    Except having their marriages recognized by the government and receiving the benefits that comes from having them recognized.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, I know the government marriage contract establishes legal kinship, and I know you love your military benefits.
    So why shouldn't two men or two women be able to establish legal kinship? What right is it of yours to vote against that for them?
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