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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)Being forced to accept deviance as being normal is not my idea of increased personal freedom.
    2.)I also do not agree that a judge's dictates correlate to more personal freedom by more individuals, by sheer numbers or percentage wise. I see that as being what it is, a tyranny of the minority over the majority.
    1.) good thing nobody is being forced to "accept" anything so your idea fails on many levels
    2.) this also isnt happening, there is ZERO tyranny of the minority over the majority here LOL where do you come up with this stuff
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, so how do you defend this case law when the amendment in question clearly doesn't mention gender?
    The case law defends itself quite nicely. If you have a particular point of contention, post the judicial decision and tell me what your objection is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They voted against government marriage, so that isn't exactly voting against peoples rights. To do that they would have to vote against marriage, not government marriage.
    Well it's equal protection under the law, so "government marriage" is what we're talking about here, yes. Your church can refuse to call a same-sex union "marriage," nobody really cares. But voting against someone's right to have the government recognize that union is different.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Slippery slope fallacy. Pathetic.
    So why are you even arguing then, its never gonna slip back to being normal is it? I mean, where normal people acted in normal ways... so quit fighting man, follow your own preaching. You push the idea that slopes never get slippery, ever... do they?

    I mean, nobody ever gradually gets into drug addiction, right? That would just be using a fallacious slippery slope argument. So drug addiction, alcohol addiction, cigarette addiction...everybody goes in full tilt, you either take a lot/drink/smoke a lot...or don't do anything at all, ever...right?

    Just plain silliness from a side that cannot answer the question, so why not use a meme in place of thought, eh?

    What is pathetic is being controlled by such a silly idea. So, now that you have in-artfully attempted the dodge, answer the question, please. Where and how will we draw any lines in the future as regards marriage? Feel free to use the 14th Amendment to assist in your endeavors.

    Dunno? Of course not, there is little, if any, logic to that perspective.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)So why are you even arguing then, its never gonna slip back to being normal is it? I mean, where normal people acted in normal ways... so quit fighting man, follow your own preaching. You push the idea that slopes never get slippery, ever... do they?

    2.)I mean, nobody ever gradually gets into drug addiction, right? That would just be using a fallacious slippery slope argument. So drug addiction, alcohol addiction, cigarette addiction...everybody goes in full tilt, you either take a lot/drink/smoke a lot...or don't do anything at all, ever...right?

    3.)Just plain silliness from a side that cannot answer the question, so why not use a meme in place of thought, eh?

    4.)What is pathetic is being controlled by such a silly idea. So, now that you have in-artfully attempted the dodge, answer the question, please.
    5.) Where and how will we draw any lines in the future as regards marriage?
    6.) Feel free to use the 14th Amendment to assist in your endeavors.

    7.) Dunno? Of course not, there is little, if any, logic to that perspective.
    1.) what nomal are you talkgin about
    equality is normality and it will be there soon

    2.) drug addition =/= to equality for gays this is one of the most asinine failed analogy ever

    3.) yes your example was plain silly and you are the only one that hasnt answered yet

    4.) thats what YOU did in post 108, total dodge of the question, and it majorly failed now you are trying to spin it and that is failing also

    5.) what ines are you talking about this is what you havent answered, the lines are RIGHTS, those lines are already drawn

    6.) people are this is why equality is winning

    7.) correct theres no logic in your failed slippery slope argument
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Some people do find tolerance scary.




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    Could one imagine being forced to tolerate allowing a convicted child molester to baby sit one's children? But, under the indistinct banner of tolerance you are waving, one could easily make the case that they should tolerate such nonsense.

    Would be hoist on their own petard, wouldn't they? Its like wanting wind energy, but not wanting those big wind turbines in their own backyard...you know, messing up the view and killing all the birds.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    So why are you even arguing then, its never gonna slip back to being normal is it? I mean, where normal people acted in normal ways... so quit fighting man, follow your own preaching. You push the idea that slopes never get slippery, ever... do they?

    I mean, nobody ever gradually gets into drug addiction, right? That would just be using a fallacious slippery slope argument. So drug addiction, alcohol addiction, cigarette addiction...everybody goes in full tilt, you either take a lot/drink/smoke a lot...or don't do anything at all, ever...right?

    Just plain silliness from a side that cannot answer the question, so why not use a meme in place of thought, eh?

    What is pathetic is being controlled by such a silly idea. So, now that you have in-artfully attempted the dodge, answer the question, please. Where and how will we draw any lines in the future as regards marriage? Feel free to use the 14th Amendment to assist in your endeavors.

    Dunno? Of course not, there is little, if any, logic to that perspective.
    If we have to allow heterosexual marriage, we have to allow heterosexual child marriage, right? Where does your tradition end?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Could one imagine being forced to tolerate allowing a convicted child molester to baby sit one's children? But, under the indistinct banner of tolerance you are waving, one could easily make the case that they should tolerate such nonsense.

    Would be hoist on their own petard, wouldn't they? Its like wanting wind energy, but not wanting those big wind turbines in their own backyard...you know, messing up the view and killing all the birds.
    Discrimination is allowed if you can show a legitimate purpose for doing so. There is a legitimate purpose in denying people who are convicted child molestors from being around children. There is no legitimate purpose to denying marriage to same sex couples. One if to protect children the other is merely for beliefs about sin or abnormality or maintaining tradition.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    1.)Could one imagine being forced to tolerate allowing a convicted child molester to baby sit one's children? But, under the indistinct banner of tolerance you are waving, one could easily make the case that they should tolerate such nonsense.

    2.)Would be hoist on their own petard, wouldn't they? Its like wanting wind energy, but not wanting those big wind turbines in their own backyard...you know, messing up the view and killing all the birds.
    1.) LMAO now you are just making stuff up, allowing gays equal rights has nothing to do with FORCE or makign you leav your kids with those you do not wish. That post is just plain dishonety or topical ignorance, pick one.
    2.) since 1 was factually false this analogy fails too
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The case law defends itself quite nicely. If you have a particular point of contention, post the judicial decision and tell me what your objection is.
    Then use it to defend your case. I have already shown that gender is not mentioned in the amendment.

    Well it's equal protection under the law, so "government marriage" is what we're talking about here, yes. Your church can refuse to call a same-sex union "marriage," nobody really cares. But voting against someone's right to have the government recognize that union is different.
    The government recognizing a marriage is a very different matter than the providing its own government contract towards that marriage. Your little play with words has been noted. I'm not here to argue against the rest of your post, so I will leave it as stands.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then use it to defend your case. I have already shown that gender is not mentioned in the amendment.

    The government recognizing a marriage is a very different matter than the providing its own government contract towards that marriage. Your little play with words has been noted. I'm not here to argue against the rest of your post, so I will leave it as stands.
    The government recognizing a marriage is a lot like the government recognizing an adoption or a birth certificate. All set up legal relationships for people. Legal kinship.
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