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Thread: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If they don't know that something has been ruled on, then they must be apathetic to that particular issue in the first place.
    That is just assumption to your part.

    And yes, sometimes the Court gets it wrong. We've seen it many times in history. And it takes time to change. But there are always at least two sides in any case brought to the Court.
    Many things only get worse over time. Just look at how they interpret the welfare or commerce clause for proof that. Or how about how there is essentially fourth amendment free zones that have been sanctioned by the court.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, but the words "equal protection" don't mean to you what they did the framers. You're "expanded" them to allow you to have your way.
    The framers of the constitution didn't create the 14th amendment. I respect them as great men, but I draw the line at them being able to literally see the future.

    Also, "speech" doesn't mean today what it did to the Framers, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find any conservative that thinks the government can infringe upon what you type on the internet anymore than they can infringe upon what you can physically say audibly.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's a contract between two private individuals. The government recognizes it and passes legislation dealing with it. The same can be said of an employment contract. Which is all a diversion from the real point:
    It's a government contract that was crafted by the state that permits those that have it to have access to government benefits. A private contract is crafted by those parties involved and the state doesn't grant those involved anything except the enforcement of the contract.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Tell you what since you think you're an expert and others aren't put your ****ing money where your mouth is and go try a lawsuit if you think your soooo correct.
    I was unaware being right and filing a lawsuit meant you were going to win in court.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is just assumption to your part.
    ALL federal court rulings, particularly those made on Constitutional matters are a matter of public record. There is no excuse with the internet to not know about a ruling made on an issue you care about. Especially if it is made by the SCOTUS, since you can simply check their website for rulings they have made over the years. Sure it takes time, but if it is an important issue to you, you will check it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Many things only get worse over time. Just look at how they interpret the welfare or commerce clause for proof that. Or how about how there is essentially fourth amendment free zones that have been sanctioned by the court.
    And if the people have a major issue with these things, they can get together and work to pass an Amendment that ensures that these are protected. All rights are subject to some restrictions based on being able to show a legitimate state interest is protected by doing so or someone else's rights are being protected, even freedoms of religion, speech, press, gun ownership, etc.

    And sure the Court gets things wrong in the direction of states/government as well. Don't like a ruling? Push to change it or fix the law or change the Constitution itself. Do you think that anyone pushing for same sex couples to get married legally throughout the US is just going to sit back and accept a ruling from the SCOTUS that did say that states could restrict marriage based on sex/gender?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's a government contract that was crafted by the state that permits those that have it to have access to government benefits. A private contract is crafted by those parties involved and the state doesn't grant those involved anything except the enforcement of the contract.
    Which is even more reason it must comply with equal protection. Gender is a protected classification.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    ALL federal court rulings, particularly those made on Constitutional matters are a matter of public record. There is no excuse with the internet to not know about a ruling made on an issue you care about. Especially if it is made by the SCOTUS, since you can simply check their website for rulings they have made over the years. Sure it takes time, but if it is an important issue to you, you will check it out.
    Yeah, I will be sure to tell people that.


    And if the people have a major issue with these things, they can get together and work to pass an Amendment that ensures that these are protected. All rights are subject to some restrictions based on being able to show a legitimate state interest is protected by doing so or someone else's rights are being protected, even freedoms of religion, speech, press, gun ownership, etc.
    Oh for god sakes, not this state interest bull**** again. That is just a concept made up by the courts to expand government power. We're done talking after that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, I will be sure to tell people that.




    Oh for god sakes, not this state interest bull**** again. That is just a concept made up by the courts. We're done talking after that.
    It's how equal protection works in this country. Feel free to move to a different one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's how equal protection works in this country. Feel free to move to a different one.
    Where does it stay anything about restricting the rights of people because of a state interest? Have fun with that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which is even more reason it must comply with equal protection. Gender is a protected classification.
    ?? What now?

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    Where does it say anything about gender?

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