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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And equal protection means equal protection, something homosexuals are being denied by not being allowed access to a private contract. The word "equal" doesn't change meaning, clownboy.
    No, but the words "equal protection" don't mean to you what they did the framers. You're "expanded" them to allow you to have your way.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Because, again, words have meanings that do not change once written. Those words may mean something else when written today, but the Constitution wasn't written today. "More expansive" is another way of saying that you don't like what the words mean and wish them to mean something different to suit your take on things.
    Just because you stayed in a Holiday Inn Express doesn't make you a constitutional scholar. I love how some anonymous characters on an internet chat board think their constitutional scholars.

    Tell you what since you think you're an expert and others aren't put your ****ing money where your mouth is and go try a lawsuit if you think your soooo correct.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And to whom do all those other rights fall to? Who determines all those other rights? The states and the people. NOT the feds, the courts, the states and the people once in a while.
    The states and the people (via vote or whatever) are still restricted by the Constitution. Rights are for individuals. Groups have power to limit rights (to a point), while individuals still have those rights. And those rights are protected by the Constitution, via (in large part) by the Courts.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What private contract? The contract in question is managed by the government and given by the government. There is no private contract involved in this discussion.
    It's a contract between two private individuals. The government recognizes it and passes legislation dealing with it. The same can be said of an employment contract. Which is all a diversion from the real point:

    A state does not have the authority to violate equal protection. The people do not have the authority to enact legislation that violates equal protection.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The people are considered to have rights up to the point where one person's rights conflict with another's or til the state can show that restrictions are necessary to further some legitimate state interest.
    100% correct

    and also people dont have to AGREE with what rights are nor do people meaningless emotional feelings matter. The law and rights dont care about them.
    This really upsets some people but too bad.

    Same type of people that were upset over womens rights, minority rights and interracial marriage are the same type upset about gay rights. But nobody cares they can cry all they want, equality is winning.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, but the words "equal protection" don't mean to you what they did the framers. You're "expanded" them to allow you to have your way.
    We've "expanded" it to give more people rights. If the vast majority disagrees, they are free to change the Constitution via Amendment.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, but the words "equal protection" don't mean to you what they did the framers. You're "expanded" them to allow you to have your way.
    No, they meant it to apply to all laws and all people, barring sufficient state interest to override that protection. Not just the laws that clownboy thinks it should apply to, and not just to the people clownboy thinks it applies to.

    The idea that the framers of the constitution had already settled every legal argument and judicial question before they wrote the constitution is ludicrous.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In many cases people don't know the court even ruled on a subject, but they show disapproval towards the action of the state all the same. There are many laws on the books right now that have been ruled constitutional that have no basis at all to be ruled as such, but that didn't stop the court doing just that. The people are ignored regularly in law and in the court, and it's actually pretty rare that the court ever decides against government power. In this case, they can rule for government power, and because removing government is not on the table, still look like they are ruling for freedom. All they are really doing however is ruling against a ban of an activity in exchange for the government just controlling the behavior instead.
    If they don't know that something has been ruled on, then they must be apathetic to that particular issue in the first place.

    And yes, sometimes the Court gets it wrong. We've seen it many times in history. And it takes time to change. But there are always at least two sides in any case brought to the Court.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Just because you stayed in a Holiday Inn Express doesn't make you a constitutional scholar. I love how some anonymous characters on an internet chat board think their constitutional scholars.

    Tell you what since you think you're an expert and others aren't put your ****ing money where your mouth is and go try a lawsuit if you think your soooo correct.
    what good would that do, a lawsuit wouldnt work because it will just lose because all of the corrupt, tyrannical and biased judges. I mean look how many have ruled on this since the fall of DOMA, it must be that they are ALL uneducated and biased and not smart enough to take the opinions of a handful of people here. It can possibly mean the rights were actually protected and are being protected <end sarcasm>


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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The states and the people (via vote or whatever) are still restricted by the Constitution. Rights are for individuals. Groups have power to limit rights (to a point), while individuals still have those rights. And those rights are protected by the Constitution, via (in large part) by the Courts.
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