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Thread: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Once again - in what universe does or should the government have the authority to recognize or regulate marriage?
    And again, the people have given them that authority. In this universe the government, our government and many others, have the authority to recognize and even regulate (to at least a small degree) marriage. We, the people, gave them that authority because it benefits us.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Once again - in what universe does or should the government have the authority to recognize or regulate marriage?

    In this universe Civil Marriage has been a function of government for hundreds of years even before the founding of this country. Civil Marriage is simply the recognition of and establishment of a family relationship as a spouse where one did not exist before.



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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Anyone who thinks getting a civil union law through would not be easier than a marriage law is the one fooling himself. You guys demand all or nothing that is the problem.
    Wrong, to get a civil union law would require new paperwork and you would have to make sure it is worded in EVERY bit of law the same as marriage. In other words, that would be impossible. Having SSM legalized is tons easier. Don't worry, when SSM is legalized throughout the U.S. you'll find the cons crying about it.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Wrong, to get a civil union law would require new paperwork and you would have to make sure it is worded in EVERY bit of law the same as marriage. In other words, that would be impossible. Having SSM legalized is tons easier. Don't worry, when SSM is legalized throughout the U.S. you'll find the cons crying about it.
    What would be easier about civil union is public opinion. There would be far less resistance to it than to some gay guy prancing down the isle in a white wedding dress.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    That is piled horse manure, and you know it. It all depends on which people and which rights.

    I am fairly confident that you do not want more rights for individual murderers, child molesters, rapists, etc... that would allow each of them to more freely conduct their mischief on the rest of us... or do you?

    This was, admittedly, an exaggerated example to expose the falsehood for what it actually is... a misappropriation of the truth in order to influence, based on an appeal to some vague and noble notion.
    There is a difference between an "exaggerated example" and an incongruous analogy.

    Your analogy could never be seen as a credible example of the expansion of rights Rougenuke was advocating.

    I believe in more rights for people, for individuals, not less. I'm sorry that you prefer to limit the rights of the people in favor of that of the government.
    How could anyone compare this statement to advocation for expaned rights for criminals...

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    What would be easier about civil union is public opinion. There would be far less resistance to it than to some gay guy prancing down the isle in a white wedding dress.
    And while I haven't personally seen this, what makes you think that civil unions would prevent the bolded above? You seem to hate gays and have a stereotype of them, why the hatred? How do they affect YOUR marriage?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I believe in more rights for people, for individuals, not less. I'm sorry that you prefer to limit the rights of the people in favor of that of the government.
    Not sure how you glean this from what I said.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    What would be easier about civil union is public opinion. There would be far less resistance to it than to some gay guy prancing down the isle in a white wedding dress.

    Let's take a look at Washington State, the only state in the union where we can gather information.

    2009
    Referendum 71
    To provide Civil Unions for homosexuals with all the same rights responsibilities and privileges of Civil Marriage.
    Yes = 53.15% | No = 46.85%

    2012
    Referendum 74
    To provide Same-sex Civil Marriage in the State.
    Yes = 53.7% | No = 46.3%



    Notice anything? Ummmm

    How about how similiar the numbers are. 46.85% voted AGAINST Civil Unions being equal to Civil Marriage and 46.3% (3-years later) voted against SSCM.

    The idea that large numbers of people that are against equal treatment for gays under Civil Marriage laws are going to join (voluntarily) in supporting Civil Unions - is pretty much poppy-cock. They feel they have a right to mandate teh government discriminate against the gays.


    But Hey, I'd might support a Civil Union bill, it would be a good intermediate step. Eventually as the younger generation gains a bigger share of the vote they would be consolidated back anyway.


    Washington Same-Sex Marriage Veto Referendum, Referendum 74 (2012) - Ballotpedia
    Washington Domestic Partners Rights and Responsibilities, Referendum 71 (2009) - Ballotpedia



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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not sure how you glean this from what I said.
    The government restricting marriage on the basis of sex/gender gives more rights to the government (in restricting marriage) and less to the people. All people have more choices when it comes to marriage if everyone is allowed to marry someone of either the opposite or the same sex.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    And that is because it does not fit into the militant gay agenda. If gays merely wanted equal rights instead of wanting to make a social statement this would all be over by now.
    ??? Gays are recognized as a protected class in many states and have exactly those things.
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