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Thread: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    That is piled horse manure, and you know it. It all depends on which people and which rights.

    I am fairly confident that you do not want more rights for individual murderers, child molesters, rapists, etc... that would allow each of them to more freely conduct their mischief on the rest of us... or do you?

    This was, admittedly, an exaggerated example to expose the falsehood for what it actually is... a misappropriation of the truth in order to influence, based on an appeal to some vague and noble notion.
    Murderers have proven themselves to be a danger and are being punished for their crimes. There is a level of balance to be had when considering rights, but when it comes to people who have done nothing wrong, and when the state cannot show any legitimate interest being furthered, then yes, I prefer more rights for individuals.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Murderers have proven themselves to be a danger and are being punished for their crimes. There is a level of balance to be had when considering rights, but when it comes to people who have done nothing wrong, and when the state cannot show any legitimate interest being furthered, then yes, I prefer more rights for individuals.
    Huh. Almost like you're talking about that "due process" part.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Sail through? Maybe you did not hear right. It is banned in 20 state CONSTITUTIONS. That was the doing of you and your conservative brethren. You have made no effort to repeal those bans. You have introduced no legislation on the federal level to recognize civil unions. The GOP has not changed its platform to accept civil unions and it still actively fights against them. Conservatives have not given an inch on this issue, so stop pretending otherwise. You are reeping what you sowed because you deliberately went beyond banning same sex marriage and now you are now trying to blame us for your unwillingness to compromise. Every civil union law that has ever been proposed came from gay rights supporters, not conservatives. Stop lying to yourself.
    Anyone who thinks getting a civil union law through would not be easier than a marriage law is the one fooling himself. You guys demand all or nothing that is the problem.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Anyone who thinks getting a civil union law through would not be easier than a marriage law is the one fooling himself. You guys demand all or nothing that is the problem.
    Easier? Yes. But you're trying to place blame on the victims rather than the perpetrators of civil union bans.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Huh. Almost like you're talking about that "due process" part.
    I don't think some people understand that the Constitution and its Amendments work together, not as each a separate part that can have no interaction with the rest.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Anyone who thinks getting a civil union law through would not be easier than a marriage law is the one fooling himself. You guys demand all or nothing that is the problem.
    Right now, no it would not be easier to get a civil union law through because the majority of supporters know that the courts will eventually strike down the bans against same sex couples entering into marriage and that means they can simply get married without extras.

    What happened to those civil union laws that existed for some of the states that now have marriage? Most of them simply became obsolete. So why go to something that will simply become obsolete in the near future? The majority want same sex couples to be able to marry, not simply have civil unions. We see no reason that same sex couples should be considered "different" under laws concerning spouses.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Right now, no it would not be easier to get a civil union law through because the majority of supporters know that the courts will eventually strike down the bans against same sex couples entering into marriage and that means they can simply get married without extras.

    What happened to those civil union laws that existed for some of the states that now have marriage? Most of them simply became obsolete. So why go to something that will simply become obsolete in the near future? The majority want same sex couples to be able to marry, not simply have civil unions. We see no reason that same sex couples should be considered "different" under laws concerning spouses.
    Ummm maybe because they ARE DIFFERENT?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Ummm maybe because they ARE DIFFERENT?
    Not according to how the laws work they aren't. They are no different than interracial couples who are married or interfaith couples who are married because sex/gender makes no legal difference in marriage. There is nothing about a person's gender/sex that makes them incapable of fulfilling the legal obligations/responsibilities of marriage for a person of either the opposite or same sex.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Once again - in what universe does or should the government have the authority to recognize or regulate marriage?

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    First of all, what gives you the impression I am angry? Second, you don't know me, my history or much of what I have complained or not complained about in the past, so it would be highly suggested that one might go gore one's silly ox someplace else and in some situation in which one perhaps knows a little something of which one makes the decision to speak...

    I, like you apparently, just went along with things thinking it okay... I, after having studied the situation independently, now see many many places of Federal government and judicial overreach...you may, too, if you open your eyes, have a little knowledge of circumstances under your belt.
    I debated this issue a decade ago. Marbury v. Madison is not something I learned about yesterday.

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