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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you were born after the first SSM?
    Considering that happened centuries ago, yeah, I was born after that took place. Oh, you mean in the US. Well no, I was born before that took place. I'm not sure how that pushes forward your argument though. Tell me, why can't I be against government marriage again? Is there some sort of reason I have to follow the thoughts of those that came before me?

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Scary.

    So We, you know, the People, do not get to decide what is acceptable and not in our own culture anymore? Judicial tyrants decide that for us now, do they?

    Scary.
    Yeah, let's just scrap the Constitution!
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    Yeah, let's just scrap the Constitution!
    I guess that is what you are advocating, when it comes right down to it, huh?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Well, perhaps a study of history might be helpful then, eh?

    There was the majority of the planet's history where slavery's efficacy was not even questioned...much less before it started even appearing as a blip on history's radar screen as something that needed eradication.

    Oh, and there is much written, guess you need to become more of a seeker. As for proving the shallowness as well as the invalidity of the point you were making, sure...you are much welcome.
    I am well aware of the long and universal history of slavery, as well as its acceptance for most of world history. I do not however see how your comment in any way can be seen as a rebuttal to this:

    Trying to outlaw SSM makes as much sense as banning abortion or shutting down Gov't by holding your breath to stop the ACA.

    You may be against these things...but they aren't going anywhere, like screaming in your bedroom when you were three and being punished for hitting your sister.
    You claim these things were said of slavery...and I pointed out they were not, so unless you can show that they were, you have failed and my point stands.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    See, we got this thing in the US, you might have heard of it, called the constitution. Based on the constitution, specifically the 14th amendment, every one has a right to equal protection under the law. Enforcing the constitution is not judicial tyranny.
    The 14th Amendment and Equal Protection Clause do not say anything like what these courts are saying. Basically, this is saying that the constitution means whatever the hell the judges want it to mean. At that point the constitution ceases to matter and that means our rights cease to matter. It becomes all about what the state decides we should and should not be allowed to do with our lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Number of persons in a contract is not a protected classification.
    Religion and ethnicity are protected classifications. Some religions and ethnic cultures encourage polygamy. One can easily argue by this new reasoning that polygamist religions and cultures are being discriminated against by government and thus not given the equal protection of the laws. It would be no more true than it is true in this case.

    Defining marriage as between a male and a female is a gender-based classification.
    It is sad to see such ridiculous legal reasoning seeping its way into case law. The equal protection clause is about insuring people are not stripped of rights or have their rights infringed upon on the basis of some selective classification. At the time, it was a reaction to the Black Codes that basically allowed Southern states to re-enslave freedmen by creating a crime that was expressly targeting freedmen where the penalty included unpaid labor. You have to argue that same-sex marriage is a right before you can argue an equal protection issue.

    This ruling, and others like it, are no longer about what the constitution and its amendments actually say, but rather about previous interpretations of the constitution by the courts that are themselves building on a series of earlier interpretations. Case law is great for establishing how the law is to be enforced until past court rulings essentially become new laws with no clear connection to the laws they are actually interpreting other than lip-service.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I am well aware of the long and universal history of slavery, as well as its acceptance for most of world history. I do not however see how your comment in any way can be seen as a rebuttal to this:



    You claim these things were said of slavery...and I pointed out they were not, so unless you can show that they were, you have failed and my point stands.
    ummmmm... it was the claim that these thing are not going anywhere ... that is what I was commenting on... we got rid of slavery just like we will the enslavement of this new forced, against our, the majority's, will "health care" plan you say is here for the long run.

    We square on that now, are we?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...age-ban/671022

    Another one bites the dust. It is noteworthy that not a single judge at any level has upheld a same-sex marriage ban since Windsor.
    AWESOME!!!
    I got the alert yesterday when it happened but i was busy until now.

    Heres some more links, your original isnt working.
    Judge Strikes Down Michigan’s Ban on Gay Marriage - TIME
    Federal judge strikes down Michigan's gay marriage ban - CNN.com
    Federal judge strikes down Michigan's gay marriage ban | Fox News
    Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on same-sex marriage - CBS News
    Michigan’s 1st gay marriage license issued - The Washington Post
    Michigan clerks marry gay couples after judge strikes down ban - chicagotribune.com
    Judge Rules Michigan's Ban on Gay Marriage Unconstitutional - NBC News
    Federal judge strikes down Michigan's gay-marriage ban | MSNBC


    and yes it is a pretty important not that since the fall of DOMA there hasnt been any other rulings made in high court but in favor of equal rights for gays.

    A stay is being requested and a appeal will be made which is AWESOME because pushing this higher and higher is GREAT.

    I think thats my favorite thing about equality winning right now. SOme of its biggest victories have been made because or bigots and people who want to discriminate again them. WIthout bannings in place it would be harder to challenge, without people appealing all the way to state supreme courts those rulings would exist, then federal courts, then federal appeals courts, now soon SCOTUS.

    Its sweet poetic justice that the bannings HELPED paved the way for equality.

    all that is left now is just the last minute desperation of bigots and or those that want to discriminate and dont give two ****s about the rights of others. They see the future and they know they lost.

    herse the update to the "list of doom" that you called it

    Changes/Updates in RED
    3/21/14 Version 8.0

    23 States with Equal Rights (4 pending)

    Massachusetts - May 17, 2004
    Connecticut - November 12, 2008
    Iowa - April 27, 2009
    Vermont - September 1, 2009
    New Hampshire - January 1, 2010
    Washing D.C. - March 9, 2010
    FALL OF DADT Dec 18, 2010
    New York - July 24, 2011
    Washington - December 6, 2012
    Maine - December 29, 2012
    Maryland - January 1, 2013
    FALL OF DOMA - June 26, 2013
    California - June 28, 2013
    Delaware - July 1, 2013
    Rhode Island - August 1, 2013
    Minnesota - August 1, 2013
    New Jersey - October 21, 2013
    Illinois - (ruled on Nov 20th 2013) June 1, 2014 effective
    Hawaii - December 2, 2013
    New Mexico – December 19, 2013
    Utah – December 20. 2013 Currently Stayed and will be ruled on with OK)
    Oklahoma - Currently Stayed and will be ruled on with UT)
    GSK v. Abbott Laboratories - January 21, 2014 (could be huge in gay rights, discrimination/heightened scrutiny)
    Kentucky - February 2/14/14 (Must recognize out-of-state marriages) which will lead to their ban being defeated
    Virginia - February 2/14/14 (Stayed)
    Texas - February 2/26/2014 (pending 10th Circuit Court of Appeals)
    Michigan - March - 21, 2014 (Stay being requested)

    21 States Working Towards Equal Rights

    13 States with Pending Court Cases to Establish Equal Rights[/B]
    Alabama
    Idaho
    Kansas
    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    Missouri
    North Carolina
    Pennsylvania (June 14 Trial)
    South Carolina
    Tennessee (Direct US Constitution Challenge)(Prilim in and 3 couples are recognized, later broader ruling coming)
    West Virginia
    Wisconsin
    Wyoming


    5 States with Court Case(s) and Legislation to establish Equal Rights
    Arizona
    Arkansas (Decision Pending and 2016 ballot)
    Florida
    Nevada
    Ohio (December 2013 trial) Trial had narrow ruling that Ohio will recognize OTHER state marriages but didn’t impact bans. New cases expected.

    3 States with Legislation to Establish Equal Rights
    Alaska
    Colorado
    Oregon

    thats 42 states that could have equal rights by 2016 and some much sooner!

    US Court of Appeals Tracker
    Map: Court Locator
    1st - all states have equal rights
    2nd - all states have equal rights
    3rd - pending
    4th - april/may court case
    5th- pending
    6th - pending
    7th- pending
    8th- two cases that the plaintiffs PLAN to take all the way up if needed but nothing pending
    9th- pending (statement released "as soon as possible")

    Also 3 State Attorney Generals no longer defending the constitutionality of bans, joining the case against them or reviewing their constitutionality
    Nevada
    Oregon
    Pennsylvania

    6 States that still have unequal rights and nothing pending to change it yet, that’s it 6
    Indiana
    Montana
    Nebraska
    Georgia
    North Dakota
    South Dakota
    Wyoming


    #EqualRightsAreWinning!!!!!!!!!!!!



    also please feel free to let me know of any corrections or updates that need made, equality is kicking so much ass its hard to keep up, thanks
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What trouble do you forsee resulting from two men or two women marrying each other?
    Under what law, concept or rule will society end up stopping anybody, or multiples of of anybodies, from marrying anything, or multiples of things, if we erase the traditional lines?
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What trouble do you forsee resulting from two men or two women marrying each other?
    there is none, one has never been presented that doesn't immediately fail and or makes no logical sense.
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Under what law, concept or rule will society end up stopping anybody, or multiples of of anybodies, from marrying anything, or multiples of things, if we erase the traditional lines?

    since you dodged the question and just presented another we can play that game too

    what "traditional lines" have been erased?
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