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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Civil unions give all the legal rights of marriage. Gays just want to "marry" to legitimize or normalize their relationship, it is not about civil or legal rights it is about gay's being militant.
    No, they don't. Civil unions are not currently recognized by the federal government. Only marriage is. Civil unions do not bestow the legal recognition of "spouse" onto a person, nor "inlaw" onto each spouse's immediate family members. Those are facts. You may wish that it was otherwise, but it isn't.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Please do not delude yourself, it hardly helps. There is nothing to thank you for short of the demonstration of utter disregard of reality, closed mindedness, bigotry, denial and a complete lack of understanding legal principles and the Constitution.
    Other than that you made fabulous arguments.
    That's some good old fashioned name calling, there... care to contradict Merriam Webster on the term "history", care to provide an example where "all the pertinent aspects" [which could include, but not be limited to, the way a decision maker were potty trained, could it not... or if they had turned down one street instead of another..."all" sorts of "pertinent aspects"] were included... ? Pure unadulterated malarkey... had one any genuine facts on ones side, one wouldn't have to resort to the tactics of denigration as primary tool.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    That's some good old fashioned name calling
    Reading comprehension issues? I was talking about your posts, as I do not know you, but nice misrepresentation as usual.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Civil unions give all the legal rights of marriage.
    No they don't. In no instance has a civil union ever given all the legal rights of marriage.

    Gays just want to "marry" to legitimize or normalize their relationship, it is not about civil or legal rights it is about gay's being militant.
    No, it's about people wanting the government to treat them equally. Nobody gives a crap whether sawyer approves of their union. I didn't get to vote on your marriage, why am I getting to vote on the marriage of two men or two women? Don't you see just how offensive that is to the American way of life? The idea that your moral disapproval should be enough for the government to treat another citizen unequally?
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Reading comprehension issues? I was talking about your posts, as I do not know you, but nice misrepresentation as usual.
    Your spamming of the word bigot doesn't add any more to the conversation than he is adding.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The civil union of gays protects their rights under the law and gives them equality to marriage without actually being "married".

    Ahhhh - so now Civil Unions are OK. See a decade ago as these were debated even Civil Unions were a No-No and that door was slamed closed. Quite a few states banned Civil Unions as well as marriage equality.

    Like the state I live in, Virginia:

    "Section 15-A. Marriage.

    That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."


    Funny how Civil Unions in the early 2000's were not a compromise to be considered when opponents of SSCM were in the majority. Now though that they have lost in the courts, lost in the legislatures, lost in the polls, and bagain losing in ballot during General Elections - suddenly - "Oh, Civil Unions should work."

    And many who now claim to support the concept of "separate but equal" are mostly the very people that voted against it a decade ago.




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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Your spamming of the word bigot doesn't add any more to the conversation than he is adding.
    Sorry, it will not happen again...

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, they don't. Civil unions are not currently recognized by the federal government. Only marriage is. Civil unions do not bestow the legal recognition of "spouse" onto a person, nor "inlaw" onto each spouse's immediate family members. Those are facts. You may wish that it was otherwise, but it isn't.
    If gays had not wasted all this time pushing for marriage rights they would have had full civil union laws in place now.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Ahhhh - so now Civil Unions are OK. See a decade ago as these were debated even Civil Unions were a No-No and that door was slamed closed. Quite a few states banned Civil Unions as well as marriage equality.

    Like the state I live in, Virginia:

    "Section 15-A. Marriage.

    That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."


    Funny how Civil Unions in the early 2000's were not a compromise to be considered when opponents of SSCM were in the majority. Now though that they have lost in the courts, lost in the legislatures, lost in the polls, and bagain losing in ballot during General Elections - suddenly - "Oh, Civil Unions should work."

    And many who now claim to support the concept of "separate but equal" are mostly the very people that voted against it a decade ago.




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    I'm talking about a fed civil union law not one single state.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If gays had not wasted all this time pushing for marriage rights they would have had full civil union laws in place now.
    Alternatively, if anti-ssm would just stop opposing it we could spend that energy on more important things.

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