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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Equal protection of the law is a civil right. And marriage has been declared a right by the SCOTUS on several occasions. So long as legal kinships are recognized within our country, then marriage is necessary and likely going to be deemed a "right".
    The civil union of gays protects their rights under the law and gives them equality to marriage without actually being "married".

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The SCOTUS and the Constitution as well. It isn't really that hard to figure out.
    Sorry, but you have basically maintained from the very beginning that the SC must, without regard to much of any consequence, protect the minority...they are handcuffed, forced to by prior decisions and a one size fits all wrench being used to take apart the will of the people....so where, again, are the protections of the majority's rights?
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Wrong. Most certainly it does. From where does this mistaken philosophical underpinning for your erroneous viewpoint originate? Certainly not derived from the Constitution, not in the Federalist Papers, so where?

    We not only have the right, we have a solemn duty to do so.
    The constitution is the supreme law of the land, says so right in the text. It literally defines the United States of America as an entity. We are not a direct democracy. 51% of the vote does not decide anything you want. You've admitted as much: 51% of the vote cannot reinstate slavery because that is in violation of the constitution. Therefore, if same-sex marriage bans violate the constitution, there is no number of votes that can uphold them.

    So again, the real issue is whether or not the equal protection clause applies here. You claim it doesn't, but you don't really base that on anything in particular. You've steadfastly ignored how the equal protection clause actually functions, hiding behind this "it doesn't say that in the constitution!" business. Constitutional amendments do not explicitly spell out every aspect of their application, and they don't need to.

    SCOTUS is the authority here. They have the power to determine this, and they've put forward a strong legal argument that you choose to ignore.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Sorry, but you have basically maintained from the very beginning that the SC must, without regard to much of any consequence, protect the minority...
    You have yet to define any such consequence. SCOTUS doesn't suppress rights on the basis of a danger you can't even name. This entire line of reasoning is built upon a danger that doesn't exist.

    The people against interracial marriage spewed the same nonsense. Moral fiber, attacking the foundations of our country, etc, etc. If one of them had warned about some unnamed, potential future danger that wasn't seen in any evidence from existing interracial marriages, would you have accepted that argument? Would you have expected the Supreme Court to accept that argument?


    they are handcuffed, forced to by prior decisions and a one size fits all wrench being used to take apart the will of the people....so where, again, are the protections of the majority's rights?
    What right of yours is being taken away? The right to vote against someone else's marriage? You don't have the right to vote on my marriage, and I don't have the right to vote on yours. Why do you get to vote on anyone's marriage?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    G-man, I've asked this before but it's a fast moving thread and I didn't see an answer:

    We have a decade's worth of data from same-sex marriage that shows the effects to be positive, not negative.

    You claim we don't know the real effects, the real dangers. How many years of data would make you accept that there are no negative consequences of legalizing same-sex marriage?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Might you give an example representing your view of history, please? Besides being wrong on the definition, also wrong with regard to accounting v summary. It is almost impossible, perhaps it is impossible, to get ALL pertinent aspects. Often times nobody knows ALL, or will ever know, ALL of them...

    And, absolutes are usually best not used as they can almost always be proved wrong. See how I used that almost before the absolute of always?

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    Please do not delude yourself, it hardly helps. There is nothing to thank you for short of the demonstration of utter disregard of reality, closed mindedness, bigotry, denial and a complete lack of understanding legal principles and the Constitution.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The civil union of gays protects their rights under the law and gives them equality to marriage without actually being "married".
    No civil unions do not protect same sex couples in the same way or even an equal way to marriage. Civil unions are not even granted recognition by the federal government, let alone doing the most important thing marriage does, granting legal kinship between two people and including their immediate kin in that kinship to each other.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Sorry, but you have basically maintained from the very beginning that the SC must, without regard to much of any consequence, protect the minority...they are handcuffed, forced to by prior decisions and a one size fits all wrench being used to take apart the will of the people....so where, again, are the protections of the majority's rights?
    The majority is protected as well by the Constitution and the SCOTUS when their rights are more important than that of the minority in accordance with the Constitution.

    You are the one trying to apply a "one size fits all" here, not me. I know how the law works. And how the Constitution and constitutional law works. You apparently do not. You only know how you want it to work, how you wish it worked, but that is not reality.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No civil unions do not protect same sex couples in the same way or even an equal way to marriage. Civil unions are not even granted recognition by the federal government, let alone doing the most important thing marriage does, granting legal kinship between two people and including their immediate kin in that kinship to each other.
    Civil unions give all the legal rights of marriage. Gays just want to "marry" to legitimize or normalize their relationship, it is not about civil or legal rights it is about gay's being militant.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The civil union of gays protects their rights under the law and gives them equality to marriage without actually being "married".
    Really so when a partner of a gay person dies, the living partner doesn't have to pay taxes on the estate right? Oh wait, they do unlike a married couple. Your civil union protection is a bunch of bull****. Don't worry, people like you will have to deal with SSM being legal very soon. I will toast that day to all the bigots that will be crying.

    BTW why doesn't YOU show us where EVERYTHING is EXACTLY equal with heterosexual marriage and civil unions except for the word marriage.

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