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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Oh, I think many of us can find absurdities in American History, sure. You believe all our history is just clean, pristine, without fault do you?
    Thanks for the demonstration of ignorance and lack of understanding. History is just an account of events, it can not have fault, be clean or dirty. It can be inaccurately presented or misrepresented, but that is hardly the fault of history.

    But, as I indicated previously, to take this incongruity to its logical conclusion, if one is not married under these proclaimed civil rights, one is being discriminated against, correct?
    No that is more ignorant misrepresentation. Being prevented from being marries is the discrimination.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    But you speak of nothing meaningful or relevant. It is obvious that the Constitution, legal principles and reality are far beyond your grasp.
    Why not prove that... because you cannot, you have neither the skill or the knowledge, besides which, tellingly and most importantly, you are flat out wrong.

    Debate is not won by disparagement, fellow citizen. At minimum you should have something to argue, some point of reasoning to put forth. But...nothing??
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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Just as in most rights, you don't get to sue if you choose not to exercise a right. Would a person who didn't vote be able to sue the federal government for them choosing not to vote? Would a person who is an atheist be able to sue the federal government for them choosing not to have a religion? Would someone who chooses not to own a gun be able to sue the federal government, or really even the state governments, for them choosing not to own a gun? A person doesn't have to exercise their rights to still be entitled to do so later when they may choose to do so.
    Please do not complicate matters for him...

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    In other words, you cannot verify what you claimed to be true in the Constitution, thus confirming my claim to be a bit more knowledgeable about the document than many, if not most, here, eh?

    and....OMG, we are talking about changing our entire culture, our long lasting and working primary institution of marriage... so we are talking elections, laws, the people's will, the whole gamut my friend. As stated previously, when selling the Constitution and the idea of federal supremacy in only certain, enumerated, areas, it was understood by the framers that the federal government may overstep... and this is what Hamilton had to say,

    "If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify."

    That is showing a complete understanding, by Hamilton who was perhaps one of the strongest advocates of a strong central government, of just who is the real power behind the throne. WE, THE PEOPLE.

    Class over.
    Hardly. The 14th Amendement is one example of protections. You step outside of the context and compared an apple with a tree frog. I noted they don't compare.

    As for culture, you are not required to change at all. You can be as narrow minded as you want to be. But our society is not stagnant. It us in a constant state of change, though often at a varying paces, from glacier to instant. That us the nature of living. So, fearing change is not by itself reason to deny.

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    re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Thanks for the demonstration of ignorance and lack of understanding. History is just an account of events, it can not have fault, be clean or dirty. It can be inaccurately presented or misrepresented, but that is hardly the fault of history.

    No that is more ignorant misrepresentation. Being prevented from being marries is the discrimination.
    Our history is NOT just the accounting, it is its essence as well, it is the actuality... in other words what actually happened, not solely the summary of what happened.

    Wow... that was minimalist and faulty viewpoint, without any underlying substantiation... worthless, wasted words to be read, easily dismissed as they have little value if not backed up with some logic, some truth, something.
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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/u...iages-23097138

    Attorney General Eric Holder on Friday extended federal recognition to the marriages of about 300 same-sex couples that took place in Michigan before a federal appeals court put those unions on hold.

    Holder's action will enable the government to extend eligibility for federal benefits to the Michigan couples who married Saturday, which means they can file federal taxes jointly, get Social Security benefits for spouses and request legal immigration status for partners, among other benefits.
    Holder's decision came a week after U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman in Detroit struck down the gay marriage ban and two days after Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder called last weekend's marriages legal but said Michigan won't recognize them.
    I don't know what Limbo is, but I'm guessing if you're one of the 300 couples that got married it looks a lot like this.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Our history is NOT just the accounting, it is its essence as well, it is the actuality... in other words what actually happened, not solely the summary of what happened.

    Wow... that was minimalist and faulty viewpoint, without any underlying substantiation... worthless, wasted words to be read, easily dismissed as they have little value if not backed up with some logic, some truth, something.
    There is not need to fabricate or make up lies, although it is not surprising coming from you.
    I made no remark about summary of events. That is just a lie to mask your mistake or inability to comprehend written sentences. An accounting, an accurate one as it was implied, would contain all pertinent aspects.

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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Hmmm... don't know for sure, but I bet if you started listing the states that haven't done any of that, the list would look a heck of a lot longer, eh?
    Now you are moving the goal posts, your original statement was "Nobody here, despite the alleged invalidity of our side's arguments, has been able to prove your side's point". As I pointed out, the reply wasn't in regard to "Nobody here" as it is unlikely that anyone here will change your individual opinion. However the case has been proven to dozens of judges (when you count state, state appeals/supreme courts [including en blanc reviews), federal district courts, and federal appeals court]).

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yes, you folks here, and in real life, have not yet been able to sufficiently convince the rest of us of your side's "logic and facts"... btw, was that supposed to be a joke? I think you flatter yourself if you think you and your side are in possession of those two.
    I'm sorry, but you appear to flatter yourself on what "the rest of use think". The fact is that the last time such proposals were placed before the voting public in General Election initiatives, Marriage Equality won each time. In addition polls have shown a consistent trend to more acceptance of SSCM over the last decade.

    Face it, you don't speak for "the rest of us" or even the majority. Your claim to being a majority is based on actions taken a decade ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    You think nine justices have the right to just turn an entire culture topsy-turvy without the consent of the people?
    We the people are consenting, it's now the minority opinion that capricious and invidious laws targeting homosexuals are just.



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    Re: Judge strikes down Michigan's ban on gay marriage[W:95]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, but it's fair to point out inconsistencies in what people get upset about. You know, when democrat does it, wild outrage. When republican does it, silence.
    So then express it, your opinion is noted. That doesn't mean everyone must agree.
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