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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A mildly interesting corollary...

    What if the state recognized it was illegal, but simply chose that other things were if greater importance in which to focus time and resources to dealing with than the chimp.

    I can see an argument that the state would be culpable to some degree, but I think it would also be mitigated by the woman's own actions as well. In this instance, had the state acted then it could've been prevented....but it still could've been prevented without state action if she did not put herself into a knowingly dangerous situation.
    Going into someone's home with their pet is a 'dangerous situation?' How so? The presumption is that the animal is safe...it was unrestrained and the owner was there, unalarmed. She could choose not to go in the home....but she had no knowlege of an actual risk.

    If I'm sitting at a dinner table in a home where I've been invited and your kid picks up his knife and stabs me...should I have anticipated that? Should I be responsible for putting myself in a 'dangerous situation?'
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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    This has nothing to do with that...the animal was a pet in someone's house. How was she irresponsible?

    If the state had a law against exotic animals and knew about this chimp and didnt confiscate it, then it can be held liable.
    She knew the animal was there too. Oh never ****ibg mind. Somewhere somehow someone shoulda could woulda its never your fault these days.... stupid me thinking ppl should think and act in thier best interest.
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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    She knew the animal was there too. Oh never ****ibg mind. Somewhere somehow someone shoulda could woulda its never your fault these days.... stupid me thinking ppl should think and act in thier best interest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Going into someone's home with their pet is a 'dangerous situation?' How so? The presumption is that the animal is safe...it was unrestrained and the owner was there, unalarmed. She could choose not to go in the home....but she had no knowlege of an actual risk.

    If I'm sitting at a dinner table in a home where I've been invited and your kid picks up his knife and stabs me...should I have anticipated that? Should I be responsible for putting myself in a 'dangerous situation?'
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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
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    Yes yes, we know the "STATE" knew and since the state knew and didn't act it's ALL THEIR FAULT! How could this poor, innocent woman ever EVER have known there was a risk? It was a lovely PET for all SHE knew!

    Seriously, plaintiff attorneys love people like you. What if this had been a pit viper attack? Would you feel the same way?
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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    That is not how liability works, the state did not cause this injury.
    Haven't you heard? Individuals are NEVER responsible, it's always someone, or something else. From "affluenza" to "there was no warning label how was I supposed to know ironing my shirt while wearing it was dangerous"? Double appeal to situations where emotionalism can trump common sense. The victimhood must be protected at all costs.
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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Anyone who thinks the state is responsible should go 10 rounds with a "domesticated" chimp.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If the state regulatory agency knew there was a danger and had the means to address it (ie. knew where the chimp was being kept) but chose not to do their job without a very good reason, she has a good case against the state.
    Exactly. In my state, authorities will remove dangerous animals.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We had a similar case here in socal. A chimp mutilated a woman, and I believe she tried to sue unsuccessfully as well. I think she was giving the monkey anti-depressants to keep it from getting aggravated. We used to stop by as see the guy, she would have put him in her front yard, and it was near a hospital I was always at. Keep wild animals at your own peril.
    Call me crazy but anyone who would even want to be around one these horrible creatures needs to be in a cage. Chimpanzees are detestable creatures who have a natural suspicion of humans. I recall another chimp incident where a man and his wife were visiting a chimpanzee at a animal shelter that they used to own as a pet (most of these chimps end up in shelters eventually), and they were taking the chimp a birthday cake for the chimp's birthday, when another chimp became angry and tore the man's penis off. Yep, tore his penis off---which apparently is what these chimps may do to other males when angry.

    I am not an animal psychologist, but what I believe is that chimpanzees in captivity are basically driven to being psychotic. If you've ever watched chimpanzees in a cage at the zoo you can see the anger and hate in their eyes. Much different from the look a lion has in it's eyes when it looks at you like you are lunch. A chimpanzee has that Charles Manson look in it's eyes that tells me that all it thinks about is ripping your face off because it can. A primate version of Hannibal Lechter.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The only possible way for this case to even have a chance to proceed would be a) the chimp was illegal and there is proof the state/animal control failed to remove it or b) the chimp was known to be a danger and the state/animal control failed to remove the animal...
    Per the OP's article, those are the facts of this case.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Article
    Her legal team has said that before the attack, the Connecticut Department of Energy and Environment Protection (DEEP) had described the illegally owned, 200-pound (90 kilogram) chimp as a serious threat to public safety.
    This makes it rather black and white for me.

    It sounds like the regulatory body identified an illegally owned animal, but then the enforcement aspect did not come into play. So that's #1. The government knew and did nothing, or at least not in time.

    The second liability is the owner who, if well schooled in chimp ownership, knows that they can be incredibly violent, especially toward people who aren't the owner. There should be negligence charges happening for the owner. If it was their dog who brutally attacked someone, we would not be debating this.

    The state definitely dropped the ball. The lawsuit is for a lot of money but I don't know if you can really put a price on a person's face and hands, plus all those surgeries are probably quite costly.

    Tort law would not recognize blame for the victim because it was not her responsibility to know she would be brutally assaulted when entering this person's private property. The two parties who DID know were the owner and the state and they should both be held liable.

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