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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, if the state created a law centered around past incidents with that exact same property, ignored suggestions from experts and refused to enforce its own laws? Sure. It should be sued. It'd be no different than the state refusing to enforce laws against murder, theft, etc. You know, for a Libertarian, you miss out the point of a state a lot.
    Well lets just have home inspections to make sure we don't have anything the government doesn't allow us adults, er I mean kids to have.

    We need to be safe right?

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sued for not enforcing its own laws. Nothing authoritarian about regulating "property" capable of ripping a grown man's arms off,
    harboring dangerous diseases, destroying another man's property etc.
    Really there is nothing authoritarian about regulating?

    Your twisted logic is so entertaining.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well lets just have home inspections to make sure we don't have anything the government doesn't allow us adults, er I mean kids to have.

    We need to be safe right?
    Your dilution into absurdity is all I need to know you and the other "sovereign immunity" statists have lost this debate. I've demonstrated ineptitud from the state, criminal negligence and even the attempt by right wingers to murky the issue with laws which have nothing to do with this case - and you've gone the route of leftists who think guns should be banned because of nuclear weapons. Absolutely laughable.
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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, if the state created a law centered around past incidents with that exact same property, ignored suggestions from experts and refused to enforce its own laws?
    Already answered, the new law would be retroactive. Retroactive laws would require additional consideration by the state in order to avoid civil liability. Where I used to live I had a wood shingle roof. Over several decades the local government decided that wood shingle roofs in my area were too much of a fire hazard and they made them illegal. Which meant that they could not be put on new houses or new additions and any re-roof would have to be made out of fire-proof materials. However the local government could not force me to change my existing roof before it was time for me to re-roof. To do so would have caused me undue financial injury. So for the time being, my roof was "grandfathered in" even though it was no longer considered a safe roof. Which means I assumed the risk, same with the owner of the chimp.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sure. It should be sued. It'd be no different than the state refusing to enforce laws against murder, theft, etc. You know, for a Libertarian, you miss out the point of a state a lot.
    Most of the time the government does selective enforcement. Not really with murder, but certainly with lesser crimes or infractions. A good example would be someone exceeding the speed limit while driving. Certainly there is a vehicle code violation for speeding, and certainly many people are stopped and ticketed for this dangerous driving. But is it your contention that the police have to stop every speeder and give them a citation? Does the state even have the resources do that? And when a cop sees a guy speeding but may have other pending calls to attend to; if the cop doesn't stop the speeder and the speeder injures someone, do you believe that liability is now transferred to the state?

    It just doesn't work that way.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Already answered, the new law would be retroactive. Retroactive laws would require additional consideration by the state in order to avoid civil liability. Where I used to live I had a wood shingle roof. Over several decades the local government decided that wood shingle roofs in my area were too much of a fire hazard and they made them illegal. Which meant that they could not be put on new houses or new additions and any re-roof would have to be made out of fire-proof materials. However the local government could not force me to change my existing roof before it was time for me to re-roof. To do so would have caused me undue financial injury. So for the time being, my roof was "grandfathered in" even though it was no longer considered a safe roof. Which means I assumed the risk, same with the owner of the chimp.
    Sure, and if there was a history in that state of ignoring such threats due to roofs grandfathered in on nothing but good faith - I'd support people suing the government for not enforcing the law and you for not complying with it.

    Most of the time the government does selective enforcement. Not really with murder, but certainly with lesser crimes or infractions. A good example would be someone exceeding the speed limit while driving. Certainly there is a vehicle code violation for speeding, and certainly many people are stopped and ticketed for this dangerous driving. But is it your contention that the police have to stop every speeder and give them a citation? Does the state even have the resources do that? And when a cop sees a guy speeding but may have other pending calls to attend to; if the cop doesn't stop the speeder and the speeder injures someone, do you believe that liability is now transferred to the state?

    It just doesn't work that way.
    This isn't the first time you try dishonest example mixed with murky information. Police officers encounter speeders by random chance, they are not capable of determining where a speeding violation will be carried out. This however was a case where police officers, wildlife officers, state departments and even governments knew where the violation was occurring and refused to act. It'd be like them knowing where an active rapist lives, takes his victims to and then refusing to act on this information and ignoring plights from the public.
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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Already answered, the new law would be retroactive. Retroactive laws would require additional consideration by the state in order to avoid civil liability. Where I used to live I had a wood shingle roof. Over several decades the local government decided that wood shingle roofs in my area were too much of a fire hazard and they made them illegal. Which meant that they could not be put on new houses or new additions and any re-roof would have to be made out of fire-proof materials. However the local government could not force me to change my existing roof before it was time for me to re-roof. To do so would have caused me undue financial injury. So for the time being, my roof was "grandfathered in" even though it was no longer considered a safe roof. Which means I assumed the risk, same with the owner of the chimp.



    Most of the time the government does selective enforcement. Not really with murder, but certainly with lesser crimes or infractions. A good example would be someone exceeding the speed limit while driving. Certainly there is a vehicle code violation for speeding, and certainly many people are stopped and ticketed for this dangerous driving. But is it your contention that the police have to stop every speeder and give them a citation? Does the state even have the resources do that? And when a cop sees a guy speeding but may have other pending calls to attend to; if the cop doesn't stop the speeder and the speeder injures someone, do you believe that liability is now transferred to the state?

    It just doesn't work that way.
    Absolutely spot on. Liberals+Ex post facto law=tyranny. And these thinkers are tripping over themselves to get us there.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sure, and if there was a history in that state of ignoring such threats due to roofs grandfathered in on nothing but good faith - I'd support people suing the government for not enforcing the law and you for not complying with it.
    You completely avoided my post or didn't understand it. When something is "grandfathered in" that means the person still has a preexisting right to it even if they could never have a new right to it later. If you own a 1928 Ford is doesn't have seatbelts, and you are not required to put them in. If you buy a 2014 Ford it must have seatbelts and you can't remove them even if you wanted to, and you are required to wear them. That's how it works.

    The woman owned the chimp BEFORE there was a law against owning chimps.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This isn't the first time you try dishonest example mixed with murky information. Police officers encounter speeders by random chance, they are not capable of determining where a speeding violation will be carried out. This however was a case where police officers, wildlife officers, state departments and even governments knew where the violation was occurring and refused to act. It'd be like them knowing where an active rapist lives, takes his victims to and then refusing to act on this information and ignoring plights from the public.
    What on earth are you talking about? It doesn't matter how police encounter speeders, are you suggesting that all speeders must be arrested every time they are discovered? My point was that the police use discretion in enforcing laws, they don't have the resources to enforce every law. And besides, you rapist analogy is silly. The chimpanzee was not an "active killing chimp" until it was an active killing chimp.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Absolutely spot on. Liberals+Ex post facto law=tyranny. And these thinkers are tripping over themselves to get us there.
    It's how they justify everything in the super nanny state. Not from reason, not from consent of the governed, but by tyranny.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    It's how they justify everything in the super nanny state. Not from reason, not from consent of the governed, but by tyranny.
    And then they have the nerve to be upset they are treated like children. Thats what the nanny state is.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's Washington State... not Connecticut...

    CONN. GEN. STAT. 26-55 - Permit for importing, possessing or liberating fish, wild birds, wild quadrupeds, reptiles or amphibians.



    Charla Nash, chimp attack victim, deserves a court hearing of her right to sue state - Hartford Courant
    Ugh, I must have copied the wrong link when I googled it. My apologies for misleading anybody.

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