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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    There must be probable cause to remove the animal, the cops and animal control didnt see it that way since the chimp wasnt a danger before so no the state isnt responsible.
    NO. Ownership of the animal was illegal, period.

    However the state HAD identified the animal not only as illegal, but as dangerous...did you not read the 3 quotes I posted? THey said so specifically.

    LOLOLOL Try reading.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    NO. Ownership of the animal was illegal, period.

    However the state HAD identified the animal not only as illegal, but as dangerous...did you not read the 3 quotes I posted? THey said so specifically.

    LOLOLOL Try reading.
    Here is the actual laws, try reading that:

    Chapter 16.30 RCW: DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS

    (1) The animal control authority or a law enforcement officer may immediately confiscate a potentially dangerous wild animal if:

    (a) The animal control authority or law enforcement officer has probable cause to believe that the animal was acquired after July 22, 2007, in violation of RCW 16.30.030;

    (b) The animal poses a public safety or health risk;

    (c) The animal is in poor health and condition as a result of the possessor; or

    (d) The animal is being held in contravention of the [this] act.
    And you might want to try reading this too:

    The committee is considering a bill that would overrule a decision last year by State Claims Commissioner J. Paul Vance Jr., who refused Nash's request for permission to sue the state. It's a last-ditch effort by Nash's attorneys to recoup damages from the state, which generally is immune from lawsuits unless allowed by the commissioner. The panel has until April 2 to act on the bill.
    Get it?

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Here is the actual laws, try reading that:

    Chapter 16.30 RCW: DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS



    And you might want to try reading this too:
    Get it?
    Sure. And the quotes I posted earlier ALL fulfilled a).

    And the last quote is completely outside of any point you tried to make so far...and is part of the discussion. It has nothing to do with whether or not the state *should* be held liable however....and 16.30 shows why...with the *knowlege they HAD* they should be held accountable.

    Get it?
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sure. And the quotes I posted earlier ALL fulfilled a).

    And the last quote is completely outside of any point you tried to make so far...and is part of the discussion. It has nothing to do with whether or not the state *should* be held liable however....and 16.30 shows why...with the *knowlege they HAD* they should be held accountable.

    Get it?
    Youre wrong in regards to a):

    Nash's petition to sue was denied on the basis that at the time of her attack, no statute existed that prohibited the private ownership of a chimpanzee.
    Travis (chimpanzee) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sure. And the quotes I posted earlier ALL fulfilled a).

    And the last quote is completely outside of any point you tried to make so far...and is part of the discussion. It has nothing to do with whether or not the state *should* be held liable however....and 16.30 shows why...with the *knowlege they HAD* they should be held accountable.

    Get it?

    Lursa, I respect your opinion. I, and people much more qualified have given you evidence that there is no basis to sue.

    I understand and agree with why you feel bad, indeed angry about this. But look at the facts. I dont know how this will turn out, but outrage alone is no substitute for law, and we can't go back in time, legally speaking or otherwise.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    http://news.yahoo.com/chimp-attack-v...--finance.html



    On one hand, the state knew there was a dangerous animal in this man's house and did nothing about it. On the other, she knew perfectly well this man kept a dangerous animal and should have stopped visiting. Some expect governments to deal with threats to communities (like this animal) and there are those who argue on behalf of personal responsibility. This case blurs the line between those opinion.
    The state cannot possibly protect every person from every threat. The case is ridiculous.

    The lady knew that her friend was an elderly woman who had a bad-ass chimp but she went there anyways.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    The state cannot possibly protect every person from every threat. The case is ridiculous.

    The lady knew that her friend was an elderly woman who had a bad-ass chimp but she went there anyways.
    Someone else who didn't read the case. The state actually knew where the animal was, created a law against such animals and still allowed its owners to keep it. In essence, the state REFUSED to follow the laws it set for itself. Suing CT in this case is no different than suing the federal government not doing its job and enforcing immigration law.
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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Here is the actual laws, try reading that:

    Chapter 16.30 RCW: DANGEROUS WILD ANIMALS

    And you might want to try reading this too:

    Get it?
    That's Washington State... not Connecticut...

    • CONN. GEN. STAT. 26-55 - Permit for importing, possessing or liberating fish, wild birds, wild quadrupeds, reptiles or amphibians.

    No person shall import or introduce into the state, or possess or liberate therein, any live fish, wild bird, wild mammal, reptile, amphibian or invertebrate unless such person has obtained a permit therefor from the commissioner provided nothing in this section shall be construed to require such permit for any primate species that weighs not more than fifty pounds at maturity that was imported or possessed in the state prior to October 1, 2003.
    Charla Nash, chimp attack victim, deserves a court hearing of her right to sue state - Hartford Courant

    Under Connecticut law at the time of the attack, residents wishing to own a primate weighing more than 50 pounds had to obtain a permit from what is now called the Department of Energy and Environmental Protection. The law required the DEEP to seize any animal that was illegally possessed and dispose of it. DEEP never issued the Stamford chimp's owner a permit, so the state should have seized the animal, which it didn't.
    In 2008, before the attack, Ms. Hinsch put on record that this chimpanzee was an "accident waiting to happen." She detailed in a memorandum to her supervisors the chimpanzee's location, age and propensity for violence. She added that the animal was illegally possessed and must be dealt with. She further cautioned that even the DEEP officers sent to seize the animal would be in danger of bodily harm from this animal. But, Ms. Hinsch insisted, it had to be done to protect the public. Incredibly, Ms. Hinch's superiors at the DEEP ignored her warning.
    Given the state law on primates requiring a permit for a chimp of this size and the Hinsch memorandum detailing the dangerous propensities of this animal, the DEEP knew of a discrete and identifiable danger and did nothing. It is our hope that the legislature's Judiciary Committee will read both the statute and the memorandum, as they are critical to an understanding of Ms. Nash's claim.
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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Someone else who didn't read the case. The state actually knew where the animal was, created a law against such animals and still allowed its owners to keep it.
    That's 100% irrelevant. The woman broke the law and got away with it. So ****ing what? That happens a kazillion times a day.

    All this case is about is some stupid greedy **** trying to rip off the taxpayers. Now I'm glad that chimp ****ed her up.

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    Re: Connecticut chimp attack victim seeks right to sue state

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    That's 100% irrelevant. The woman broke the law and got away with it.
    The woman broke the law and the state ignored its own laws, procedures and statutes. You're showing your ignorance.
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