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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    My main issue is that the bill defines who/what a reporter is.

    That kind of thing is all well and good for security of a person or place, but when you start codifying it into law, it opens up the possibility of further restrictions on those deemed by the law to not be a reporter.

    For example twitter is apparently not an accepted media for transmitting a report, and thus if you are an amateur and report something on twitter whether it is protected under this law is apparently up to the court (unsure)

    Granted I don't use twitter myself, but it would seem to me that it could be used to report on some event.

    Also assuming the article is accurate, the law does not provide much protection for amateur reporters, beyond "judge can decide".
    Hmm.. so, if I post something on DP, the government can make me name my source?
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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Because it is not reliable/accurate reporting and it is also not fair to the public reading or viewing inaccurate content. only a ditto head would not see how this wrong.
    If the reporter is worried about not being credible, he has the option of naming sources, but the government can't make him name his sources.

    One would think that a story using "unnamed sources" would lack credibility, but we read such things on the internet all the time, and people do take them seriously.

    If, that is, the story supports the reader's biases.
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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hmm.. so, if I post something on DP, the government can make me name my source?
    From the article, it sounds like they could.

    Assuming they wanted to, the journalistic work was yours, you had not published it in an accepted format, and the judge sided with them.

    Unless I'm misreading the AP's report on the bill.
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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    From the article, it sounds like they could.

    Assuming they wanted to, the journalistic work was yours, you had not published it in an accepted format, and the judge sided with them.

    Unless I'm misreading the AP's report on the bill.
    That could be a problem.
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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hmm.. so, if I post something on DP, the government can make me name my source?
    Sure, with a court order. That's nothing new. This bill would provide some protection against that.

    Like others have said, I don't like the defining what is or isn't a journalist so much. But it's not like we don't already do that. We don't apply the protections of freedom of the press to every single person merely on their declaration of themselves as acting in a journalistic capacity. Maybe we should, but I don't think this would really alter who does or doesn't enjoy that protection. I actually think we should define who is or isn't the press, but we should do it much more broadly. I think the act of obtaining information to disseminate it to the public, with the intent of informing the public, is basically enough. Whether you're on TV or just on a blog, you're acting in a journalistic capacity, and we should protect that.
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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Chez. Do you think the House will pass it?



    It would apply to student journalists or someone with a considerable amount of freelance work in the last five years. A federal judge also would have the discretion to declare an individual a "covered journalist" who would be granted the privileges of the law.

    The bill also says that information is only privileged if it is disseminated by a news medium, described as "newspaper, nonfiction book, wire service, news agency, news website, mobile application or other news or information service (whether distributed digitally or otherwise); news program, magazine or other periodical, whether in print, electronic or other format; or thorough television or radio broadcast ... or motion picture for public showing."

    While the definition covers traditional and online media, it draws the line at posts on Twitter, blogs or other social media websites by non-journalists.

    The overall bill would protect reporters and news media organizations from being required to reveal the identities of confidential sources, but it does not grant an absolute privilege to journalists.

    The bill makes clear that before the government asks a news organization to divulge sources, it first must go to a judge, who would supervise any subpoenas or court orders for information. Such orders would be limited, if possible, "in purpose, subject matter and period of time covered so as to avoid compelling disclosure of peripheral, nonessential or speculative information."

    The Senate Judiciary Committee passed the bill last September on a 13-5 vote. Schumer said the measure has the support of Republican Sens. Johnny Isakson of Georgia, Roy Blunt of Missouri and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. He also noted the backing of Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley and Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch in the committee.

    Last month, the Justice Department announced it was revising its rules for obtaining records from the news media in leak investigations, promising that in most instances, the government will notify news organizations beforehand of its intention to do so.

    The revised procedures are designed to give news organizations an opportunity to challenge any subpoenas or search warrants in federal court.....snip~

    I really don't know any more.

    My main concern is in the government deciding whom they'll recognize as legitimate. Outside an armed populous, freedom of the press is the most important aspect of a free society. The Press is there to police the government, the government shouldn't be policing the press, not if we hope to keep up the slightest appearance of this charade that is our freedom.
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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I really don't know any more.

    My main concern is in the government deciding whom they'll recognize as legitimate. Outside an armed populous, freedom of the press is the most important aspect of a free society. The Press is there to police the government, the government shouldn't be policing the press, not if we hope to keep up the slightest appearance of this charade that is our freedom.

    Well....I highlighted those Republicans that Schumer says he has. I am surprised Grassley is on that list.

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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That's weird.
    I had always thought that the freedom of the press meant freedom to gather information, at least without violating other laws.
    Apparently not according to this Schumer guy.

    And I strongly question any measure that in any way defines who and/or what constitutes "press". It seems like a short step from there would be applying further limits to "non press" individuals.

    From the sounds of things, this would not cover a completely new amateur journalist who sent out his/her findings over twitter or some such. OR at least whether the protections applied would be at the discretion of the court.

    In a perfect world, who was/is a journalist would be self-determined. But in this world I suppose that has it's drawbacks...
    there have been journalist jailed and fined for refusing to turn over their sources.
    confidential sources happen all the time in police and FBI and those informants are not turned over.

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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well....I highlighted those Republicans that Schumer says he has. I am surprised Grassley is on that list.
    Me thinks all who have their name attached to this bill need to be investigated by every reporter on earth.
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    Re: Schumer: Senate has votes for media shield law

    With this bill, I can see and feel the grip of tyranny around this country's throat. This bill must be defeated and the members of congress who support it, shamed and embarrassed publicly.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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