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    Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    Intelligence from field has White House 'very concerned' about Russia invading more of Ukraine – possibly soon

    By CNN Chief Washington Correspondent Jake Tapper
    (CNN) - Based on intelligence, Obama administration officials are very concerned the Russians are not being truthful when they say their forces near Ukraine's eastern and southern borders are merely there for training exercises, sources tell CNN.
    Officials assess that Russia – as early as coming days – could use any number of pretexts to justify further military incursions into Ukraine.

    Moscow could express a need to protect Russian-speaking Ukrainians, or to protect transportation lines from Russia to Crimea, or the energy supply to Crimea from the rest of Ukraine.
    Russian troops could accomplish this quickly, officials say, and theoretically before any other nation could even raise objections.
    Officials publicly attribute their skepticism to previous Russian assurances that proved false, and privately say intelligence from the field has bolstered this view of Russia’s plans.
    Asked for a candid assessment of White House worries about a possible incursion, a senior administration official told CNN, “We’re very concerned, but it’s by no means certain.”
    Separately, National Security Adviser Susan Rice said Friday the Russians have said they intend to conduct military exercises.
    “Obviously given their past practice, and the gap between what they have said and what they have done, we are watching it with skepticism," she said.
    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel spoke with his Russian counterpart, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, on Thursday.
    Shoigu provided “assurance that the troops he has arrayed along the border are there to conduct exercises only, that they had no intention of crossing the border into Ukraine, and that they would take no aggressive action,” according to a Pentagon read-out of the call.

    First on CNN: Intelligence from field has White House 'very concerned' about Russia invading more of Ukraine – possibly soon – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs

    I believe this is a given. Thoughts?
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    Re: Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    Oh, noes! I see the Obama administration is taking another page out of the Bush playbook and hyping whatever it takes to demonize it's perceived enemy in order to justify it's garbage. Who knew? Oh, all of us that see him as essentially Bush-lite, and have since the beginning.
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    Re: Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Oh, noes! I see the Obama administration is taking another page out of the Bush playbook and hyping whatever it takes to demonize it's perceived enemy in order to justify it's garbage. Who knew?
    Isn't that what Putin just did?

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    Re: Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    If this is a big concern, why isn't the EU stepping up to the plate?
    Yep, for once you and I agree. This is much more an EU concern, and where I can us following their requests for us to honor and install sanctions, asset freezing, etc., it does seem quite unacceptable for us to be taking the lead, particularly in such a strong and irrational way (ie not recognizing that just now even the Ukrainian government isn't what would be considered legitimate or democratically elected).

    At least I think that's what you're saying.
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    Re: Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Isn't that what Putin just did?
    Putin allowed for a fast and apparently free election likety split. Let's see Ukraine do the same, oops, it hasn't and to my knowledge no date has been set.

    Sorry, whether we like it or not, Putin has behaved more democratically in this one instance than we or "our" side has.
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    Re: Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Intelligence from field has White House 'very concerned' about Russia invading more of Ukraine – possibly soon

    By CNN Chief Washington Correspondent Jake Tapper
    (CNN) - Based on intelligence, Obama administration officials are very concerned the Russians are not being truthful when they say their forces near Ukraine's eastern and southern borders are merely there for training exercises, sources tell CNN.
    Officials assess that Russia – as early as coming days – could use any number of pretexts to justify further military incursions into Ukraine.

    Moscow could express a need to protect Russian-speaking Ukrainians, or to protect transportation lines from Russia to Crimea, or the energy supply to Crimea from the rest of Ukraine.
    Russian troops could accomplish this quickly, officials say, and theoretically before any other nation could even raise objections.
    Officials publicly attribute their skepticism to previous Russian assurances that proved false, and privately say intelligence from the field has bolstered this view of Russia’s plans.
    Asked for a candid assessment of White House worries about a possible incursion, a senior administration official told CNN, “We’re very concerned, but it’s by no means certain.”
    Separately, National Security Adviser Susan Rice said Friday the Russians have said they intend to conduct military exercises.
    “Obviously given their past practice, and the gap between what they have said and what they have done, we are watching it with skepticism," she said.
    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel spoke with his Russian counterpart, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, on Thursday.
    Shoigu provided “assurance that the troops he has arrayed along the border are there to conduct exercises only, that they had no intention of crossing the border into Ukraine, and that they would take no aggressive action,” according to a Pentagon read-out of the call.

    First on CNN: Intelligence from field has White House 'very concerned' about Russia invading more of Ukraine – possibly soon – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs

    I believe this is a given. Thoughts?
    No, I don't think this will happen for two reasons. The Russians don't want to be financially responsible for the entirety of the Ukraine. And two, they're starting to see the ability of the West to hurt them substantially on an economic level.


    Putin seems to be taking stock of international and market reaction to his invasion of Ukraine. At the same time, the crisis has a surreal quality. Meeting reporters today at his suburban Moscow residence, Putin denied the presence of any Russian soldiers on Ukrainian soil or that Moscow had played any role in prepping the thousands of uniformed gunmen who have methodically taken over Crimea. The markets, which had given Russia a beating yesterday, reacted favorably: Russia’s Micex stock index rebounded and the ruble strengthened. Putin claimed they were responding not to the Ukraine news but to actions by the US Federal Reserve.

    All in all, the impression is that Putin is—at least temporarily—taken aback, either by Western actions to isolate him, or by the market slide, or both. In one of his more bizarre outbursts, he lashed out at the US and the West for embracing what he called anti-Semites in Kiev who had shot an unarmed engineer dead and burned another alive. “I think they sit there across the pond in the US, sometimes it seems … they feel like they’re in a lab and they’re running all sorts of experiments on rats without understanding consequences of what they’re doing,” Putin said.

    Putin has hit the “pause” button on his invasion of Ukraine – Quartz
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    Re: Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Intelligence from field has White House 'very concerned' about Russia invading more of Ukraine – possibly soon

    By CNN Chief Washington Correspondent Jake Tapper
    (CNN) - Based on intelligence, Obama administration officials are very concerned the Russians are not being truthful when they say their forces near Ukraine's eastern and southern borders are merely there for training exercises, sources tell CNN.
    Officials assess that Russia – as early as coming days – could use any number of pretexts to justify further military incursions into Ukraine.

    Moscow could express a need to protect Russian-speaking Ukrainians, or to protect transportation lines from Russia to Crimea, or the energy supply to Crimea from the rest of Ukraine.
    Russian troops could accomplish this quickly, officials say, and theoretically before any other nation could even raise objections.
    Officials publicly attribute their skepticism to previous Russian assurances that proved false, and privately say intelligence from the field has bolstered this view of Russia’s plans.
    Asked for a candid assessment of White House worries about a possible incursion, a senior administration official told CNN, “We’re very concerned, but it’s by no means certain.”
    Separately, National Security Adviser Susan Rice said Friday the Russians have said they intend to conduct military exercises.
    “Obviously given their past practice, and the gap between what they have said and what they have done, we are watching it with skepticism," she said.
    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel spoke with his Russian counterpart, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, on Thursday.
    Shoigu provided “assurance that the troops he has arrayed along the border are there to conduct exercises only, that they had no intention of crossing the border into Ukraine, and that they would take no aggressive action,” according to a Pentagon read-out of the call.

    First on CNN: Intelligence from field has White House 'very concerned' about Russia invading more of Ukraine – possibly soon – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs

    I believe this is a given. Thoughts?


    Heya Enigma. Do you think The Ukraine and their Signing of the Political Association Group with the EU.....might be more of a Deterrent for Russia to try and take the Ukraine now?

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    Re: Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Putin allowed for a fast and apparently free election likety split. Let's see Ukraine do the same, oops, it hasn't and to my knowledge no date has been set.

    Sorry, whether we like it or not, Putin has behaved more democratically in this one instance than we or "our" side has.

    So one-sided.

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    Re: Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    This won't happen. Putin knew he could get away with slicing Crimea away from the Ukrainian cake. Russia has no interest in taking over Ukraines. Their intent in Crimea was simple: strategic interests and the interests of ethnic Russians. Putin wouldn't want to risk energy income from Europe (which is what would happen if he moved eastward in Ukraine) - the threat of cutting off energy supplies is Putin's only power-play here, but it would hit Russia big time as 50% of Gazprom's revenue comes solely from Europe.

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    Re: Concerns Russia will move into rest of Ukraine soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Putin allowed for a fast and apparently free election likety split. Let's see Ukraine do the same, oops, it hasn't and to my knowledge no date has been set.
    It's been well publicized since Yanukovych fell (fled is more apropos) that Ukrainian elections will be held on 25 May 2014.

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