Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 40

Thread: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

  1. #11
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Ft. Campbell, KY
    Last Seen
    12-31-14 @ 08:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,177

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    This is critical for the Ukraine, a country cannot be stable with independent militias operating within its borders. Libya failed to disarm many of its tribal militas after their civil war and it did not end well, likewise Israel succeeded in disarming its militias and domestic terrorist organization after their war for independence and it has served them well.

    There's a of irony in switching from revolutionary to government, but for the Ukraine to be stable it needs a monopoly on force within its borders and it certainly can't allow for arms to come into the hands of separatists or Russians sent in from across the border to stir up trouble.

  2. #12
    Sage
    WCH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The Lone Star State.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:29 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    22,214

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Show me a credible link that proves the Feds are hoarding ammunition.

    As far as hyperbole is that a bad word now?
    http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/02/11...ds-sniper-ammo

    You show me a link that show private gun ownership at an all time high? (since you started this discussion)
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

  3. #13
    Bohemian Revolutionary
    Demon of Light's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Last Seen
    03-07-17 @ 12:25 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,095

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    The real sticking point here is how determined will Kiev prove in disarming pro-Maidan forces compared to anti-Maidan forces or how determined they will be in general on the matter. It really depends on how they intend to enforce it. Local security may not be willing to raid certain groups who have guns due to sympathetic attitudes. One concern is that the emerging National Guard, likely to be stacked with a large number of pro-Maidan fighters, would be deployed to disarm anti-Maidan forces in the east and south. At that point you see a serious risk of this descending slowly into civil war.
    "For what is Evil but Good-tortured by its own hunger and thirst?"
    - Khalil Gibran

  4. #14
    User
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Last Seen
    07-13-14 @ 04:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    120

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Homeland Security to Purchase 141,000 Rounds of Sniper Ammo - Fox Nation

    You show me a link that show private gun ownership at an all time high? (since you started this discussion)
    60% more guns in USA since 1994, more guns than people in USA

    gun ownership and the number of privately owned guns rose to all-time highs

    And if you must cite fox news, at least cite a concurrent source as well. Fox News credibility is questionable at best.... And here, I did the work for you:

    Govt Stockingpiling Weapon Ammo ... At least they are under investigation for it

  5. #15
    Relentless Thinking Fury
    ChezC3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    9,144

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    That would be the most absolutely stupid thing they could do. A neo-fascist government calling for the disarmament of the people in a consolidation of power.

    Nein, nyet, non, and again, NO!
    "Oh no no no, you got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. ” -- Sheriff Chris Mannix

  6. #16
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,635

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's the tendency of a population worried about losing it's ability to counter tyranny. If you have been keeping up, the agencies of the FedGov are also 'hoarding' ammunition and weaponry at an all time high. Hmm, 'cause/effect'? The hyperbole crap is really uncalled for.
    The CON crap about the Gubmint hoarding ammo has been debunked repeatedly and yet there are the stubborn few who still try and sell that crap sandwich...

    The other crap sandwich is firearm ownership counters tyranny... to hear the same folks rant about the gubmint- tyranny has been happening for decades now and for sure since President Obama took office and yet no action has been taken...

    Private ownership of firearms doesn't prevent tyranny to use the hyperbole the Radical right CONs love to spout...

  7. #17
    Sage
    WCH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The Lone Star State.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:29 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    22,214

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    60% more guns in USA since 1994, more guns than people in USA

    gun ownership and the number of privately owned guns rose to all-time highs

    And if you must cite fox news, at least cite a concurrent source as well. Fox News credibility is questionable at best.... And here, I did the work for you:

    Govt Stockingpiling Weapon Ammo ... At least they are under investigation for it
    BS!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...anted=all&_r=0

    Not that I completely dismiss the reporting of the Russian Times but, they are considered 'alternative'.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

  8. #18
    Sage
    WCH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The Lone Star State.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:29 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    22,214

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The CON crap about the Gubmint hoarding ammo has been debunked repeatedly and yet there are the stubborn few who still try and sell that crap sandwich...

    The other crap sandwich is firearm ownership counters tyranny... to hear the same folks rant about the gubmint- tyranny has been happening for decades now and for sure since President Obama took office and yet no action has been taken...

    Private ownership of firearms doesn't prevent tyranny to use the hyperbole the Radical right CONs love to spout...
    No, it hasn't been debunked at all.

    If this country's citizenry were void of guns, how much further do you think the FedGov would push their dominance?

    That's what I refer to as 'counter'.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

  9. #19
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Ft. Campbell, KY
    Last Seen
    12-31-14 @ 08:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,177

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    No, it hasn't been debunked at all.

    If this country's citizenry were void of guns, how much further do you think the FedGov would push their dominance?

    That's what I refer to as 'counter'.
    The Federal Government doesn't give two ****s about your gun, let me repeat that "THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOESN"T CARE ABOUT YOUR GUNS." Do you really think that because a bunch of folks having pistols and AR-15s stashed at home that it will influence the kind of laws the Federal government passes and enforces?

    Seriously?

    Can you name an example of this happening?

  10. #20
    Iconoclast
    DaveFagan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    wny
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:08 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,309

    Re: Ukraine Sets Deadline for Militias to Surrender Illegal Guns

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Incredible. Nuclear disarmament causes Ukraine to be exposed to invasion and conquest - for which now there is an invading army occupying part of their country.

    Now the demand of those same powers that tricked Ukraine into exposing itself by getting rid of their nuclear arsenal for the apparent purpose of helping Russia conquer Ukraine, now pressuring the Ukraine to totally disarm to allow Russia to roll over all of Ukraine with no opposition whatsoever.

    Apparently, Ukraine has the most gullible and stupid leaders on earth. They should be handing out weapons advising "get ready to kill Russians if it comes to it."

    Russia has no reason to fear the uniformed Ukraine military. The only thing to fear are armed citizens and citizen's militia.

    A Ukraine citizen with a scoped hunting rifle is more danger to Russians than a Ukraine tank. The Ukraine government should be advising their military to prepare to remove their uniforms and act as civilian freedom fighters, dispersing light arms and explosives as diversely as possible.

    My conclusion is the Ukraine government is preparing to surrender to Russia having been successfully tricked by the USA - calling it "democracy."
    Do you live in a cave? The Russians are still the largest ethnic group in Ukraine, especially in the East and South. Who do you think they will vote for? If you were one of them, would you give up your guns? Fat chance. The Russians will be the strongest voting bloc in Ukraine. Swallow the turd and realize that no matter what, Russians will have political power in Ukraine. The new regime must be going nuts trying to figure out how to keep them away from the polls, or you can use the USA method and only allow "Billionaires" to run for office. Narrow the field to only individuals that support your Corporate agenda.

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •