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    Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Murder, hate crime charges in death of man who died protecting daughter
    Murder, hate crime charges in death of man who died protecting daughter - chicagotribune.com

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    I must have missed the hate crime part of the story
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    The attacker used racial slurs during the attack. I can almost see hate crimes when the crime is designed to effect a group, like the lynching of the past effected an entrire race, not just the lynchee. But I have a hard time seeing it wehn it is one on one.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    I must have missed the hate crime part of the story
    Firek made repeated racial comments during the assault, according to police.
    It was right there in the text.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It was right there in the text.
    There seems to be no doubt that the assailant is a jerk and deserves to be in custody. Calling someone racially insensitive names while you are fighting them doesn't, it seems to me, quite bring you into hate-crime territory.

    I view hate-crime as very serious and I hate to see the term bandied about and watered down.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    There seems to be no doubt that the assailant is a jerk and deserves to be in custody. Calling someone racially insensitive names while you are fighting them doesn't, it seems to me, quite bring you into hate-crime territory.
    I think the law determines that this is exactly what brings you into hate-crime territory - criminal action aggravated by racial abuse. Whether it should or not is a different matter, but I believe that by law, it does.

    What aggravating factors do you believe would constitute bringing the offence into the hate-crime category?
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Something that causes a reaction to a class or group of people. Such as a lynching used to show blacks what might happen to them if they dont stay in their place, or dragging a gay guy behind a pick up truck cause he is gay.
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    I think the law determines that this is exactly what brings you into hate-crime territory - criminal action aggravated by racial abuse. Whether it should or not is a different matter, but I believe that by law, it does.

    What aggravating factors do you believe would constitute bringing the offence into the hate-crime category?
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Michael Tingling was a large dude. I imagine the whole situation was scary due to the size of the two men. I have to imagine the assailant was also a large man but I haven't seen his picture.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Something that causes a reaction to a class or group of people. Such as a lynching used to show blacks what might happen to them if they dont stay in their place, or dragging a gay guy behind a pick up truck cause he is gay.
    I don't really think offences have to be quite as heinous as that in order to be recognised as hate crimes. All that has to be proven is that a crime was motivated by prejudice against someone because of their membership of a social group. Your two (highly extreme) examples fit this definition, but so does the crime in question, if the attacker committed the crime because Mr Tingling was black. I guess that's what the courts must decide.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Who in this government dictates who we chose to love and hate. Set the guy free.
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