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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    1. What did conservatives keep call those attacks on Michigan Avenue? You know, the ones where black teens targeted people walking down the sidewalk? The teens were snatching purses, Iphones and things of value. After that, Chicago police stepped up a large police presence.

    Conservatives on some other internet blogs and forums called them something, but their terminology escapes my thought right now.

    2.)I believe it's a matter of opinion when it comes to isolated, rare, and other choice wording.

    3.)Whenever we youngsters got into fist fights, the last thing we thought of was name calling. Yes, words exchanged at first, but when the fight began, we were more concerned with the outcome. I sort of surprised that a firearm wasn't used, at least that seems to be the weapon of choice for some.
    1.) if a name was given to it i dont know but dont group conservatives all together thats a mistake
    2.) i just simply go by occurrences/states and crimes based on religion/race/gender etc arent "rare"
    3.) in earlier times people did "fight" and that was that. Now many people arent simply mature enough NOT to fight or if a simply fight happens except there will be a winner and loser
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    One, how is this 1st degree murder? Where's the evidence that the man came with premeditation to murder? Two, calling someone a racial slur now is considered a hate crime? The man is obviously disturbed, might have been looking for a fight. a sexual predator? Could be. and he's got psych issues? This adding righteous indignation on top of righteous indignation nonsense though, that's hard to swallow. Seems like its a headline grabber...


    Manslaughter, with no chance of parole.

    If the State sees fit to leave this POS in Gen Pop, well, that's the State's business...
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    This happened three blocks from my house.
    Describe the area and the make up/nature of people there.

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Describe the area and the make up/nature of people there.
    It's a neighborhood called Rogers Park on the Northern border of Chicago along Lake Michigan. Visitors who visit the section of Clark street where this happened might find it sketchy, Rows of Mexican eateries, Boost Mobile Store, Mexican hair salons, Auto Parts stores etc. I love the area, I see it as very old school blue collar. It's ethnically diverse. When you get down the side streets there are lots of big turn of the century Victorian homes. There is a bit of gang violence but not nearly as bad as on the South and West Sides.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Who in this government dictates who we chose to love and hate. Set the guy free.
    Hate or no, he entered in to an altercation while on probation.

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't see the hate crime here. . Yeah the man used some racial terms. But the fact that Firek was making suggestive gestures, including openly staring and grinning at the victims daughter who one would presume to be black also would indicate to me that he has no problem with blacks. It is also apparent to me that Firek did not intentionally kill the victim as he would have no idea that the guy had a pacemaker which apparently malfunctioned due to the fight. At least I'm assuming it malfunctioned due to the fight and that was the cause of the death. The article wasn't quite clear on how exactly the victim died since apparently he did walk away from the fight. I would have charged the guy with involuntary manslaughter, but not murder or as a hate crime.
    And that's what they charged Richard Vanecko with, if you're not familiar with the name, he's the nephew of former mayor Daley. He punched some guy out, the person fell to the ground, hit his head on the pavement, and died of the injury. While neither of us know all the details in this case, it's possibly a murder case because of mitigating circumstances.

    As an aside, over ABC7 news Chicago reporting right now as I type, they're reporting the offender has a history of felonies, is presently undergoing treatment for psychiatric problems, along with a host of other possible difficulties, one being he is presently on probation. His bond was set @ $250,000.00 today.

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    It's a neighborhood called Rogers Park on the Northern border of Chicago along Lake Michigan. Visitors who visit the section of Clark street where this happened might find it sketchy, Rows of Mexican eateries, Boost Mobile Store, Mexican hair salons, Auto Parts stores etc. I love the area, I see it as very old school blue collar. It's ethnically diverse. When you get down the side streets there are lots of big turn of the century Victorian homes. There is a bit of gang violence but not nearly as bad as on the South and West Sides.
    Pretty much a melting pot.

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    This was a hate crime. Those who disagree should first read the OP article again, watch the video and then read tbe quoted explanation provided by RiverDad on page 6. Once you do that you'll get the basic facts:

    1. Firek was White.
    2. Tingling was Black.
    3. Firek uttered a racial epithet while assaulting Tingling.

    Those are the facts as presented in the linked article in the OP. The fact that Tingling had a weak heart doesn't matter. Firek infected hate into the assault.

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    This is a real shame, according to the story he sounded like a really good guy, though apparently his health has been fading fast.


    I don't think simply saying "Nigga" during an altercation necessarily proves this is a racially motivated hate crime, though. Manslaughter, sure. Hate crime... iffy.

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    It's a neighborhood called Rogers Park on the Northern border of Chicago along Lake Michigan. Visitors who visit the section of Clark street where this happened might find it sketchy, Rows of Mexican eateries, Boost Mobile Store, Mexican hair salons, Auto Parts stores etc. I love the area, I see it as very old school blue collar. It's ethnically diverse. When you get down the side streets there are lots of big turn of the century Victorian homes. There is a bit of gang violence but not nearly as bad as on the South and West Sides.
    Thanks, it helps to know the setting.

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