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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    And killing with the intent of striking fear in the target population is a hate crime.
    No, a "hate crime" is punishing someone for their motive, which is what you approve of and I never will.

    Targeting a population is more damaging to society than targeting for property.
    "Damage to society?" Interesting how to you, the wronged party goes from the victim to all of society because of someone's thoughts about why they're killing the guy.

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    From what I read, it was not a "hate crime" in terms of necessarily motivated by race. Shouting racial slurs in a fight does not mean that was the motive of the fight.

    If the allegations are true as stated in the article it is a murder case, but not a hate crimes case.

    However, the part reading "Tingling, an ex-boxer" - combined with the other person being in his 50s - may raise question as to who really threw the first punch. An "ex boxer" so intensely in love with his daughter very possibly is who initially turned it physical.

    If someone were to approach my daughter at age 15 making an obscene gesture and hateful comments, it is a certainty I would have all but beaten that man to death - but would have stopped at killing him for my daughter's sake and the greater legal liabilities for killing someone. Beating someone down and physically harming men was not rare for me in my past. The primary focus of my whole lift to that time was developing the ability to do so.

    His being an "ex boxer" likely would cause him to have high confidence in his ability to deck that 50+ year old harasser. However, now in my mid 30s I do realize that time and lack of constant training, practice and ongoing experience is diminishing my abilities in "fighting." I would guess it is difficult for many people to accept they are not as capable of certain things now what they once were in the distance past.

    Simply, I question if the case is as simplistic as someone approached someone of another ethnicity for the purpose of beating the person up. It may have began as a verbal confrontation - and as this included his daughter it may have been the "ex boxer" who threw the first punch.

    If so, the question then is what happened after the ex-boxer was down? We are only hearing the prosecution's story.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Murder, hate crime charges in death of man who died protecting daughter - chicagotribune.com

    I would've thought this type of harassment no longer existed.

    just curious why anybody would ever think that?

    I mean dont get wrong things are MUCH better than they were but by no means is harassment based on gender, race, sexuality, religion etc rare
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    "Damage to society?" Interesting how to you, the wronged party goes from the victim to all of society because of someone's thoughts about why they're killing the guy.
    Society is always a victim of crime. The system provides justice for society, not an individual. An individual's desire for justice can never be satisfied.

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    just curious why anybody would ever think that?

    I mean dont get wrong things are MUCH better than they were but by no means is harassment based on gender, race, sexuality, religion etc rare
    Well, for one,
    two guys in a fist fight, one would think there's very little time for calling a person names, let alone racial slurs. I can only imagine that the person who is locked up now has some kind of an old problem, he never evolved to accept people for their color, race, ethnicity, or diversity. He never grew up and kept his hatred in his heart and mind.

    I wouldn't think something of this nature would happen in Chicago with a majority of people who accept diversity. Chicago is known for it's big shoulders.

    I grew up there, and in my 20's, I had probably 3 or 4 black friends, and we'd call each other names, but none of that was ever taken seriously. The name calling never, ever took place out in public though, it was usually when we hung together and played basketball, baseball or football, or at private gatherings filled with mad dog 20/20 and Ripple and maryjane.

    I might not expect to hear about something like this ever happening today, except possibly in a southern state. Attacks like these I believe are pretty rare in my opinion.

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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    This happened three blocks from my house.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Something that causes a reaction to a class or group of people. Such as a lynching used to show blacks what might happen to them if they dont stay in their place, or dragging a gay guy behind a pick up truck cause he is gay.
    In Texas, it was a black man who was dragged to his death behind a pickup truck, and it wasn't that many years ago. It was after that when Texas adopted it's own hate crime enhancement. Even Rick Perry, who hates government, supported that. So do I.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    1.)Well, for one,
    two guys in a fist fight, one would think there's very little time for calling a person names, let alone racial slurs.
    2.) I can only imagine that the person who is locked up now has some kind of an old problem, he never evolved to accept people for their color, race, ethnicity, or diversity. He never grew up and kept his hatred in his heart and mind.
    3.)I wouldn't think something of this nature would happen in Chicago with a majority of people who accept diversity. Chicago is known for it's big shoulders.
    4.)I grew up there, and in my 20's, I had probably 3 or 4 black friends, and we'd call each other names, but none of that was ever taken seriously. The name calling never, ever took place out in public though, it was usually when we hung together and played basketball, baseball or football, or at private gatherings filled with mad dog 20/20 and Ripple and maryjane.
    I might not expect to hear about something like this ever happening today, except possibly in a southern state. Attacks like these I believe are pretty rare in my opinion.
    1.) seems it wasnt really a fight though just an assault on a guy with a pacemaker, so theres lots of time to talk crap
    2.) this is for sure, theres definitely something mentally wrong with this nutbag
    3.) its a city while theres probably a million people in and around the city that arent bigots there are also many bigots too. I dont know of anywhere that isnt like that.
    4.) thats great, many normal people do the same
    5.) you would be mistaken, while i wouldn't say they are rampant, unfortunately and sadly they certainly aren't "rare" either
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) seems it wasnt really a fight though just an assault on a guy with a pacemaker, so theres lots of time to talk crap
    2.) this is for sure, theres definitely something mentally wrong with this nutbag
    3.) its a city while theres probably a million people in and around the city that arent bigots there are also many bigots too. I dont know of anywhere that isnt like that.
    4.) thats great, many normal people do the same
    5.) you would be mistaken, while i wouldn't say they are rampant, unfortunately and sadly they certainly aren't "rare" either
    5. What did conservatives keep call those attacks on Michigan Avenue? You know, the ones where black teens targeted people walking down the sidewalk? The teens were snatching purses, Iphones and things of value. After that, Chicago police stepped up a large police presence.

    Conservatives on some other internet blogs and forums called them something, but their terminology escapes my thought right now.

    I believe it's a matter of opinion when it comes to isolated, rare, and other choice wording.

    Whenever we youngsters got into fist fights, the last thing we thought of was name calling. Yes, words exchanged at first, but when the fight began, we were more concerned with the outcome. I sort of surprised that a firearm wasn't used, at least that seems to be the weapon of choice for some.
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    Re: Chicago Man Facing Hate Crime/Murder Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There are no protected classes under US hate crime law. Middle-aged, hetero, white males have been victims of hate crimes.
    Being a victim of a hate crime and not having the prosecutor charge the perp with a hate crime for his hate-crime attack on you is a pretty hollow honor.

    I'm always eager to learn new things. You made a definitive statement that middle-aged, hetero, white males have been victims of hate crimes. This surely indicates that you have actually know this to be true. Would you please link up some evidence in support of your position.

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