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Fred Phelps Dead

Like it or not, and I don't like it, but it is free speech. It was not an illegal act(ion).

Never said it was, nice strawman. I stated that categorizing peoples problems with Phelps as simply based on things he said and not ACTIONS is incorrect. ACTIONS he took and that he had his church take are part of why people dislike him, not just the things he says.
 
They refer to him as a conservative because HE WAS ONE. Sorry but his views on gays certainly wasn't a liberal view.

Now, that isn't to say EVERY conservative thinks like he did, most do not. However, his views on gays was certainly hard-core right conservative.

However, to be fair....labeling him, a NON POLITICAL FIGURE, as any particular political alignment is basically invoking a reverse Godwin rule. With Godwin, you attempt to tie a subject to something with a strong negative emotional response in hopes of "winning" the argument. Here, they're basically attempting to tie the person with a strong negative emotional response to something else for seemingly no legitimate reason.

What does his political lean, if any, matter to the story? Was he a routine advocate for conservative candidates? Routinely pushed broadly for conservative causes. Or was he singularly typically focused on a single issue, and would be better referred to as "Anti-gay" than "Conservative" since the latter is a far broader and wider ranging term?

There is zero legitimate reason to talk about a theorized political bend in stories regarding his death OTHER than in an attempt to tie the two things together in hopes to smear for those in the masses uneducated or unnuanced enough to comprehend how wildly outside of any political norms of either side Fred was.
 
He was a Boy Scout too, and I have never heard the press mention that. I think the guy was just so far out of everyone's idea of normal limits It is really not right to pretend he was of any normal political party.
 
Says who? Prove it.

I'd be inclined to agree with Ikari on this to a point. Most if not all were loved by someone, and there is usually some reason for that. People are complex and seldom what fiction calls flat characters. There is usually good and bad in all of us.
 
Like it or not, and I don't like it, but it is free speech. It was not an illegal act(ion).

True. But after seeing his actions and hearing his poison, the how he did has made me reconsider some of this. Perhaps we should have a few more limits. Not what he said, as vile as it is, but the venue in which in can be said. I find no rational that says allow this near a funeral when the dead person is the target and the family he ones abused.
 
Everyone is please that he is gone.

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The facts remain, Fred Phelps was a registered Democrat the day he took his last breath. He ran for offices on the Democrat ticket including mayor, governor and senator multiple times. He campaigned for Bill Clinton and Al Gore and was invited to their inaugural balls not once but twice. The first time he went to celebrate with them, the second time he went to protest because Gore and Clinton's views on gay rights had changed from what they held originally. For decades, Phelps helped to get Democrats elected not just by his involvement in national campaigns but has a very long history of working to get local politicians elected until he became "controversial" over gay rights, and protesting soldiers funerals. Then no Democrat politician wanted him near them.

The real hypocrisy lies in how the left leaning news is covering his death. Every left rag on the Internet, Nation, Huffo Puffo, the Beast, Daily Kos etc. to the MSM,( ABC, NBC, CBS,) NEVER mention Phelp's long ties to the Democrat party but instead refer to him as a "conservative" because of the church he started which is mainly made up of his own family members and has no affiliation with any Baptist organizations. NOT ONE has brought up his history as an activist for the Democrat party for decades.

He was a Christian, don't forget that! Ooh, and look! I'm "very conservative" now! :lol:
 
He was a Christian, don't forget that! Ooh, and look! I'm "very conservative" now! :lol:
Oh come on Cardinal, look at some of these comments and how people in this forum tie him to being a right winger when everything about his history says he was a man of collectivist thought and always strong on Democrat issues. It was gay rights that he was very outspoken on but still remained a registered Democrat. To have the media use "conservative" to describe him is a blatant lie. Especially when the base of the Republican party stands for conservative thought which takes in a whole lot more than social conservatives.
 
Oh come on Cardinal, look at some of these comments and how people in this forum tie him to being a right winger when everything about his history says he was a man of collectivist thought and always strong on Democrat issues. It was gay rights that he was very outspoken on but still remained a registered Democrat. To have the media use "conservative" to describe him is a blatant lie. Especially when the base of the Republican party stands for conservative thought which takes in a whole lot more than social conservatives.

The first mention of Phelps being right wing or conservative happened after you poured gasoline on this thread and threw a match on it in order to score the cheapest point imaginable. This one's on you.
 
The first mention of Phelps being right wing or conservative happened after you poured gasoline on this thread and threw a match on it in order to score the cheapest point imaginable. This one's on you.

That's a lie. The first of several started with post #18

i believe it is referred to as the dick cheney wing
 
Despite the fact that Phelps was a bigot and homophobe of the highest order, I find it hard to celebrate the death of another human being. It would be different if he had been a murderer or rapist or child molestor (like Warren Jeffs).
 
That's a lie. The first of several started with post #18

Ahhh, interesting. It would appear that you are unable to tell the difference between individuals and groups.
 
Ahhh, interesting. It would appear that you are unable to tell the difference between individuals and groups.
No it would appear that you got bested and don't handle it well. To be unwilling to admit to the wrongful coverage of this man in the MSM by depicting him as some kind of Conservative because of his perverted Christian beliefs even though he was a life long activist for the Democrat party is sad.
 
No it would appear that you got bested and don't handle it well. To be unwilling to admit to the wrongful coverage of this man in the MSM by depicting him as some kind of Conservative because of his perverted Christian beliefs even though he was a life long activist for the Democrat party is sad.

You claimed that Phelps was being called a conservative in this thread and all you can end up referring to is a comparison to an individual. No unintelligible non-sequitur of yours is going to disguise that. You're the one who started the the completely unnecessary hack fest in this thread as everybody, right and left, religious and non-religious, could unite and agree that Phelps was a horrible man. I guess that kind of bipartisanship was just too distasteful for you, though. I mean, god forbid that liberals and conservatives should be able to agree on anything.
 
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You claimed that Phelps was being called a conservative in this thread and all you can end up referring to is a comparison to an individual. No unintelligible non-sequitur of yours is going to disguise that. You're the one who started the the completely unnecessary hack fest in this thread as everybody, right and left, religious and non-religious, could unite and agree that Phelps was a horrible man. I guess that kind of bipartisanship was just too distasteful for you, though.

I never said he was being called a conservative in this thread but that before I ever made a post in this thread someone had already linked him to the "dick cheney wing" My points after proving he was a very active Democrat was to point out how the left leaning media was depicting him as a "conservative" never mentioning his party ties. Sorry for not jumping in on the "bipartisan hate fest". The man was deplorable in his actions but that doesn't change the fact that the media is making him out to be deplorable and linking him to conservatives and that is a lie and needs to be brought forth even if it interferes in your bi-partisan hate fest.
 
I never said he was being called a conservative in this thread but that before I ever made a post in this thread someone had already linked him to the "dick cheney wing" My points after proving he was a very active Democrat was to point out how the left leaning media was depicting him as a "conservative" never mentioning his party ties. Sorry for not jumping in on the "bipartisan hate fest". The man was deplorable in his actions but that doesn't change the fact that the media is making him out to be deplorable and linking him to conservatives and that is a lie and needs to be brought forth even if it interferes in your bi-partisan hate fest.

The "Dick Cheney wing" was in reference to Hell. Obviously, the person that said that doesn't like Cheney or his fellow neocons. That doesn't mean he was linking them politically. I could be wrong though.
 
The "Dick Cheney wing" was in reference to Hell. Obviously, the person that said that doesn't like Cheney or his fellow neocons. That doesn't mean he was linking them politically. I could be wrong though.
By using the name Cheney who happens to be part of the right wing, I don't know how else you could take that to mean anything but political.
 
By using the name Cheney who happens to be part of the right wing, I don't know how else you could take that to mean anything but political.

I think it was meant in an evil context, not a political one. Some independents think he is evil too.
 
He was a man that lived with purpose and conviction. In that sense I can respect him. He pushed the tolerable limits of free speech and I appreciate that because such liberties need men like him to keep them from going down the slippery slope.
 
I'd be inclined to agree with Ikari on this to a point. Most if not all were loved by someone, and there is usually some reason for that. People are complex and seldom what fiction calls flat characters. There is usually good and bad in all of us.

Just because someone is loved by someone doesn't mean they have fundamental value to anyone beyond their friends and family. That's what I was questioning. It is an assertion, not something I suspect he can demonstrate, he just wishes it was true.
 
He never won any office. So appearently the demos rejected him. Good for them.

Have you met Ralph Nader, extreme conservative due to his rejection by the Democrats?
 
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