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    US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting - The Washington Post

    UNITED NATIONS — Russia and the United States exchanged threats Wednesday at a tense U.N. Security Council meeting over the Ukraine crisis, with Moscow’s envoy warning that the U.S. ambassador’s “insults” are jeopardizing Moscow’s willingness to cooperate with Washington on other diplomatic matters.

    It was the council’s eighth meeting in less than three weeks on Ukraine, a show of determination by Western powers to highlight Russia’s diplomatic isolation over the Crimean Peninsula — even if the council is powerless to act because of Moscow’s veto power as a permanent council member.
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    At the council, Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin was once again alone in defending his country’s actions in Crimea.

    He began his speech by celebrating the treaty signed a day earlier by Russian President Vladimir Putin declaring Crimea part of Russia, saying it honored the will of the Crimean people and complied with international law.

    “Yesterday, something truly historic happened,” Churkin declared. “A historic injustice has been righted.”

    U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power said the United States rejects “Russia’s military intervention and land grab in Crimea.”

    She warned that the U.S. and its allies, who imposed sanctions on Russia two days ago, “are prepared to take additional steps if Russian aggression or Russian provocations continue.”

    Power also compared Russia’s takeover of Crimea to theft. “A thief can steal property, but that does not confer the right of ownership on the thief,” she said.

    The Russian ambassador shot back: “It is simply unacceptable to listen to these insults addressed to our country.”

    He added, “If the delegation of the United States of America expects our cooperation in the Security Council on other issues, then Mrs. Power must understand this quite clearly.” By then, Power had left the meeting to her deputy.
    Thus ends the "new thinking" of Gorbachev. In his speech to a joint session of parliament, Putin said that Ukraine was the line that the US should not have crossed.

    If these people are not careful, this may go down in history as the beginning of WWIII

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    I hope this gets resolved without conflict, the Russian armed forces are powerful too.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting - The Washington Post



    Thus ends the "new thinking" of Gorbachev. In his speech to a joint session of parliament, Putin said that Ukraine was the line that the US should not have crossed.

    If these people are not careful, this may go down in history as the beginning of WWIII
    (emphasis added by me)

    Unfortunately, you are correct on both points.

    This is probably the first of many examples of Russia imposing its will on western Europe in an attempt to rebuild the Soviet Union. The difference though is that this time, NATO has already absorbed many of the previous Warsaw Pact nations.

    Map of previous Warsaw Pact nations:


    Current NATO map showing designations of each nation. Notice the proximity to Russia, with only Belarus, Ukraine and Georgia separating Russia from NATO:

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Yeah.....I see as usual Powers was running her mouth. Like Susan Rice. Then after she left the room.

    Russia decided to make another Concern of theirs to be noted. Funny thing about Russia.....especially when they are on the World Stage and say, Oh Btw We are concerned about so and so, seems the Entire World listens.



    Russia signaled concern on Wednesday at Estonia's treatment of its large ethnic Russian minority, comparing language policy in the Baltic state with what it said was a call in Ukraine to prevent the use of Russian.

    Russia has defended its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula by arguing it has the right to protect Russian-speakers outside its borders, so the reference to linguistic tensions in another former Soviet republic comes at a highly sensitive moment.

    Russia fully supported the protection of the rights of linguistic minorities, a Moscow diplomat told the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva, according to a summary of the session issued by the U.N.'s information department.

    "Language should not be used to segregate and isolate groups," the diplomat was reported as saying. Russia was "concerned by steps taken in this regard in Estonia as well as in Ukraine," the Moscow envoy was said to have added.

    But amid the growing Crimea crisis, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - which like Ukraine were all parts of the old Soviet Union - have expressed growing apprehension over Moscow's intentions.

    U.S. Vice President Joe Biden is currently in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius as part of a trip to reassure the three countries, all European Union and NATO members, of Washington's support.

    Responding, the Russian delegate said there were no violations of minority rights in Crimea and minorities were not being persecuted. The new Russian-backed government there had guaranteed protection of the Tatars.....snip~

    Moscow signals concern for Russians in Estonia | Reuters

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/intern...s-estonia.html

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    I hope this gets resolved without conflict, the Russian armed forces are powerful too.
    Here's just one example of what NATO can field, and this is just Poland. When I saw this, it actually surprised me that Poland had such a formidable military. Add to this, all the other NATO nations, and with the sole exception of their nuclear arsenal, Russia would have a difficult time imposing its will militarily. In other words, NATO would have the ability to contain Russia. However, I truly believe that any attack on Russia's homeland would be met with an all out nuclear response, because Putin would do what no other Russian or Soviet leader would ever do... push the button and never look back. I seriously think he's that psychotic. In that way, he is a lot like many historical bad guys (and yes, Hitler for one). He seems to feel that he has a preordained destiny to be the leader of western Europe, and maybe ever then world.

    Putin scares the hell out me. He may push the world into war, and blame the world for it.



    EDIT: Forgot to attach the dang video... sorry for that.
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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Here's just one example of what NATO can field, and this is just Poland. When I saw this, it actually surprised me that Poland had such a formidable military. Add to this, all the other NATO nations, and with the sole exception of their nuclear arsenal, Russia would have a difficult time imposing its will militarily. In other words, NATO would have the ability to contain Russia. However, I truly believe that any attack on Russia's homeland would be met with an all out nuclear response, because Putin would do what no other Russian or Soviet leader would ever do... push the button and never look back. I seriously think he's that psychotic. In that way, he is a lot like many historical bad guys (and yes, Hitler for one). He seems to feel that he has a preordained destiny to be the leader of western Europe, and maybe ever then world.

    Putin scares the hell out me. He may push the world into war, and blame the world for it.


    Heya Beaudreaux. One can see why. Especially when he actually does believe that we believe we are the chosen ones.


    Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the United States on Monday of being guided in its foreign policy not by international law but by the "rule of the gun."

    "Our Western partners headed by the United States prefer not to be guided by international law in their practical policies, but by the rule of the gun,"

    "They have come to believe in their exceptionalism and their sense of being the chosen ones. That they can decide the destinies of the world, that it is only them who can be right.".....snip~

    Putin says U.S. guided by 'the rule of the gun' in foreign policy | Reuters

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...gn-policy.html

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Beaudreaux. One can see why. Especially when he actually does believe that we believe we are the chosen ones.


    Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the United States on Monday of being guided in its foreign policy not by international law but by the "rule of the gun."

    "Our Western partners headed by the United States prefer not to be guided by international law in their practical policies, but by the rule of the gun,"

    "They have come to believe in their exceptionalism and their sense of being the chosen ones. That they can decide the destinies of the world, that it is only them who can be right.".....snip~

    Putin says U.S. guided by 'the rule of the gun' in foreign policy | Reuters

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...gn-policy.html
    I forgot to attach the video to the post your responded to. I fixed it. Check it out.

    And yeah, Putin is a master of manipulation, just as most conquerors across history have been.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    (emphasis added by me)

    Unfortunately, you are correct on both points.

    This is probably the first of many examples of Russia imposing its will on western Europe in an attempt to rebuild the Soviet Union. The difference though is that this time, NATO has already absorbed many of the previous Warsaw Pact nations.
    That's the problem. Assurances were made to Russia by the US and western Europe when Germany reunited that NATO would not move any further east.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Here's just one example of what NATO can field, and this is just Poland. When I saw this, it actually surprised me that Poland had such a formidable military. Add to this, all the other NATO nations, and with the sole exception of their nuclear arsenal, Russia would have a difficult time imposing its will militarily. In other words, NATO would have the ability to contain Russia. However, I truly believe that any attack on Russia's homeland would be met with an all out nuclear response, because Putin would do what no other Russian or Soviet leader would ever do... push the button and never look back. I seriously think he's that psychotic. In that way, he is a lot like many historical bad guys (and yes, Hitler for one). He seems to feel that he has a preordained destiny to be the leader of western Europe, and maybe ever then world.

    Putin scares the hell out me. He may push the world into war, and blame the world for it.



    EDIT: Forgot to attach the dang video... sorry for that.
    I noticed a lot of Polands fighter jets in that video are Russian made.

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    Re: US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    US, Russia exchange threats at tense UN meeting - The Washington Post



    Thus ends the "new thinking" of Gorbachev. In his speech to a joint session of parliament, Putin said that Ukraine was the line that the US should not have crossed.

    If these people are not careful, this may go down in history as the beginning of WWIII
    I'm sick of the calls for the USA to run with its tail between its legs to talk of WWIII.

    Putin understands the USA is in the coward's mode, so can act as if Russia does not fear war with the USA, while the USA is terrified of war with Russia.

    When did the USA become such cowards? We pricked with Russia and they pricked with us the entire Cold War and Russia was vastly more powerful and influential then.

    The escalation Russia threatens otherwise in diplomatic matters is real, but it is an escalation that we match it we win it. We hold most the cards, not Russia.

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